California to ban new gas car sales by 2035

[Lazy8s]

and if they want people to go solar kill the tax credits and go back to full 100% net metering .

and stop stop limiting solar Kw on your house

and letting power co tax you

It looks like one of those things that’s so simple they’ll never figure it out

 

[bill dennison]

It looks like one of those things that’s so simple they’ll never figure it out

nope

Big changes on the horizon for California net metering for 2022

The current program, NEM 2.0, provides kWh credits for excess solar energy that can be used to offset kWh drawn from the grid at a later time. NEM 2.0 differs from the original NEM program because the kWh credits are reduced slightly to ensure solar owners pay the fraction of the retail energy price that funds low-income assistance and energy efficiency programs. NEM 2.0 also requires solar owners to be on a time-of-use (TOU) billing rate plan. It’s not perfect, but it works well to save solar owners money on their electric bills.

Changes in NEM 3.0 could include decreases in the credit paid to solar owners, new fixed monthly fees on solar owners’ electric bills, or in the worst-case scenario, a “buy-all, sell-all” situation, where any new solar installation would feed directly into the grid and solar owners would be paid a fixed sub-retail price for their solar energy without the ability to use any of it themselves.

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/big-changes-for-california-net-metering

why whould you pay 50k for a solar system under NEM 3.0 that the power co gets all the benefit

 

[Sasquach]

This may be true but there could be a day where they aren't allowed in national parks. They did get rid of 2 stroke snow mobiles due to the noise and pollution.

To anyone that owns an EV, is one pedal driving something that really takes getting used to? Just watched a Waveform clips video that talks about the silly things getting built into EV's to help ease the transition (like the "engine noise" on the Dodge muscle cars EV's and the fake sense of shifting and creeping forwards when you let off on the brakes). They said you can turn it off on Tesla's and the Ionique cars have paddles shifters that adjust the amount of regen. Just curious since we're all going to be driving one someday.

I think it'll be pretty much like driving a gokart or a bumper car.
Except on a larger scale.

 

[Sasquach]

It looks like one of those things that’s so simple they’ll never figure it out

Every solution is pretty simple....until you actually implement it.
Then you run into the major sticking points:

1.) Things cost money
2.) red tape, bureaucracy, regulations, limitations, etc.
3.) The owner or whomever has to want to do it
4.) The solution is not a 1:1 replacement
5.) The primary driver does not want to do it, so they throw a bunch of bandaid solutions together that only spreads out the problem or moves the goalposts
6.) The solution requires multiple sub-solutions to deal with things the original problem never had to deal with.

 

[koralis]

solar system under NEM 3.0 that the power co gets all the benefit

Because it'll be a new CA building code that they're mandatory.

So yeah, a massive heat wave is putting a strain on the energy grid.

The strain isn't just heat waves... they need more power. They need more reliable power. If they're serious about this, they need to sign a massive contract with the new modular reactor company and start rolling then out asap. I believe the design was recently approved by the nuclear regulatory commission.

The state’s Energy Commission officials previously stated in a May press briefing that grid capacity is not on pace with demand, predicting electricity supply will fall short by 1,700 megawatts, or 5,000 in a heat wave, this year alone.

 

[Lazy8s]

nope







https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/big-changes-for-california-net-metering

why whould you pay 50k for a solar system under NEM 3.0 that the power co gets all the benefit

I’m only talking about having an infrastructure that can support Cali’s power needs, preferably all Cali based, so no need to import. Just the grid.

How anything monetary is handled….different part of the discussion imo.

 

[Lazy8s]

Every solution is pretty simple....until you actually implement it.
Then you run into the major sticking points:

1.) Things cost money
2.) red tape, bureaucracy, regulations, limitations, etc.
3.) The owner or whomever has to want to do it
4.) The solution is not a 1:1 replacement
5.) The primary driver does not want to do it, so they throw a bunch of bandaid solutions together that only spreads out the problem or moves the goalposts
6.) The solution requires multiple sub-solutions to deal with things the original problem never had to deal with.

 

[curio]

https://www.mystateline.com/news/na...c-vehicles-days-after-announcing-gas-car-ban/






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california residents

"Please go home and sit in the dark and do nothing till further notice "

You live in AZ right? I remember quite well when I lived there nearly 20 years ago that government officials told people to watch their electricity usage during certain times a day, no different than this.

Funny how it's only a problem to you when a state like California also does it.

 

[bill dennison]

You live in AZ right? I remember quite well when I lived there nearly 20 years ago that government officials told people to watch their electricity usage during certain times a day, no different than this.

Funny how it's only a problem to you when a state like California also does it.

never manatory and here it's the power co not the government officials

just like now that 3 to 7 pm is a higher demand cost from APS and SRP

we have never been that short on power since Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station went live in 86

and we are not telling everyone to buy a EV but don't charge it

 

[curio]

never manatory and here it's the power co not the government officials

just like now that 3 to 7 pm is a higher demand cost from APS and SRP

and we are not telling everyone to buy a EV but don't charge it

They're not saying don't charge it at all - that's merely your cherry-picked info to fit your narrative.

What they're really saying is don't charge during peak demand hours, it's like a 3-4 hour window out of 24 hours. And only in the summer. Many states do this already and have for years. And most EV owners charge at night anyway.

But go on with your half-baked theory...


edit: just looked it up; they're saying don't charge from 4-9pm. Also it's not mandatory, it's voluntary. And in CA it's also the power company that's asking, no different than in your state. You should try getting your facts straight:

The California Independent System Operator, which manages the state’s power grid, sent a Flex Alert asking all residents to voluntarily reduce their electricity use between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.

Source

we have never been that short on power since Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station went live in 86

It's not solely about the power delivery, it's about the strain on the grid during peak demand + heat. I don't care if you had fusion power - transformers still blow in heat. Lines are still stressed.

That's why even 20+ years ago in AZ they were asking people to watch their AC usage during certain hours; even with nuclear power.

 

[shrike126]

Looks like they're keeping Diablo Canyon nuke plant open a while longer.

The Diablo Canyon plant - the state's largest single source of electricity - had been slated to shutter by 2025. The last-minute proposal passed by the state legislature early Thursday could keep it open five years longer, in part by giving the plant's owner, Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E), a $1.4 billion forgivable loan.

California, like other U.S. states and countries, has been struggling to reduce its climate-warming emissions while adapting to a rapidly warming world. Record-breaking heat waves have stressed the state's increasingly carbon-free electrical grid in recent years, triggering rolling blackouts as recently as 2020. Grid operators, fearing a similar crash, issued a statewide alert to conserve energy last month.

The state has set the goal of getting 100 percent of its electricity from clean and renewable sources by 2045. Advocates for Diablo Canyon claim that target will be difficult to achieve without the 2,250 megawatt nuclear power plant. Diablo Canyon generated nearly 9 percent of the state's electricity last year and roughly 15 percent of the state's clean energy production.

Source - NPR: California lawmakers extend the life of the state's last nuclear power plant

 

[Lazy8s]

They're not saying don't charge it at all - that's merely your cherry-picked info to fit your narrative.

What they're really saying is don't charge during peak demand hours, it's like a 3-4 hour window out of 24 hours. And only in the summer. Many states do this already and have for years. And most EV owners charge at night anyway.

But go on with your half-baked theory...


edit: just looked it up; they're saying don't charge from 4-9pm. Also it's not mandatory, it's voluntary. And in CA it's also the power company that's asking, no different than in you state. You should try getting your facts straight:

Source



It's not solely about the power delivery, it's about the strain on the grid during peak demand + heat. I don't care if you had fusion power - transformers still blow in heat. Lines are still stressed.

That's why even 20+ years ago in AZ they were asking people to watch their AC usage during certain hours; even with nuclear power.

The bold is exactly what I was talking about earlier.

Even here in MA where repairs and grid fortifications have been ongoing for a couple of years now, we’re still asked to voluntarily watch our power consumption. And between their repairs and people actually taking that seriously, our power outages have dropped pretty substantially - minus hurricane and storm damage of course. We get a good deal of storm damage.

 

[logical]

They're not saying don't charge it at all - that's merely your cherry-picked info to fit your narrative.

What they're really saying is don't charge during peak demand hours, it's like a 3-4 hour window out of 24 hours. And only in the summer. Many states do this already and have for years. And most EV owners charge at night anyway.

But go on with your half-baked theory...


edit: just looked it up; they're saying don't charge from 4-9pm. Also it's not mandatory, it's voluntary. And in CA it's also the power company that's asking, no different than in your state. You should try getting your facts straight:

Source



It's not solely about the power delivery, it's about the strain on the grid during peak demand + heat. I don't care if you had fusion power - transformers still blow in heat. Lines are still stressed.

That's why even 20+ years ago in AZ they were asking people to watch their AC usage during certain hours; even with nuclear power.

This is true. It is not mandatory and the power company here in LA I use (SCE) has a program to pay you not to use during peak hours. A credit of up to something like 40-50 bucks.

 

[bill dennison]

They're not saying don't charge it at all - that's merely your cherry-picked info to fit your narrative.

What they're really saying is don't charge during peak demand hours, it's like a 3-4 hour window out of 24 hours. And only in the summer. Many states do this already and have for years. And most EV owners charge at night anyway.

But go on with your half-baked theory...


edit: just looked it up; they're saying don't charge from 4-9pm. Also it's not mandatory, it's voluntary. And in CA it's also the power company that's asking, no different than in your state. You should try getting your facts straight:

Source



It's not solely about the power delivery, it's about the strain on the grid during peak demand + heat. I don't care if you had fusion power - transformers still blow in heat. Lines are still stressed.

That's why even 20+ years ago in AZ they were asking people to watch their AC usage during certain hours; even with nuclear power.

ca has alot less underground lines
az has been working to get as much as they can underground for years

 

[curio]

This is true. It is not mandatory and the power company here in LA I use (SCE) has a program to pay you not to use during peak hours. A credit of up to something like 40-50 bucks.

That's a pretty cool incentive actually. Colorado doesn't do that, just has tiered rates - but no incentives like that.

ca has alot less underground lines
az has been working to get as much as they can underground for years

And? They still asked people to reduce power consumption when I lived there. Voluntarily. Between certain hours. No different than what CA is asking now.

So again, I guess it's only a problem when CA does it but not when other states do it, including yours. Alrighty then

 

[bill dennison]

And? They still asked people to reduce power when I lived there. Voluntarily. Between certain hours. No different than what CA is asking now.

So again, I guess it's only a problem when CA does it but not other states, including yours. Alrighty then

but we are not mandating ev's by 2035 that we all know they don't have the grid for and most likely won't in 2035

 

[logical]

That's a pretty cool incentive actually. Colorado doesn't do that, just has tiered rates - but no incentives like that.

Im not looking to save and I need my AC so I trashed the email But for anyone curious how much/how

 

[shrike126]

but we are not mandating ev's by 2035 that we all know they don't have the grid for and most likely won't in 2035

Looks like you and the rest of Arizona are safe for now.

It is the only state in the US that can make emissions standard mandates beyond the federal government's. But the law also permits other US states to adopt California's standards without the federal government's approval, Elkind said.

While California's governor, Gavin Newsom, announced the state's plan to phase out gas-powered cars two years ago, the state's EPA is expected to vote on the measure on Thursday, making it official.

That means other states that have opted into California's standards will officially have the ability to follow suit. So far, 17 states have signed on to follow California's plan, though Elkind says there is no requirement for them to follow through.

Source - Business Insider: More than one-third of US states may follow California and ban the sale of new gasoline-powered cars. Here are the states that may be next.

States that have signed on to California's emissions plan.

Source - States that have Adopted California's Vehicle Standards
under Section 177 of the Federal Clean Air Act

 

[curio]

but we are not mandating ev's by 2035 that we all know they don't have the grid for and most likely won't in 2035

Ah okay I see what you're saying there. Yeah could be a difficult thing with existing infrastructure, but that just tells me it's time for an upgrade.

Our entire country is in desperate need of a new power grid with newer tech.

 

[curio]

Im not looking to save and I need my AC so I trashed the email But for anyone curious how much/how

yeah not getting swamp ass for $40