California to ban new gas car sales by 2035

Sasquach said:
I keep hearing about Solid State batteries being the "next big thing" but it seems to be in development forever. They seem to be faster charging, longer range, but shorter overall life due to eventual cracks that can form within. And im thinking all these other breakthrough battery chemistries currently being revealed will also likely undergo 5+ years of testing before seeing any kind of production release.

I guess we'll see in 2025ish when Toyota starts rolling them out for their hybrids (assuming their SS batteries will be deemed production ready by then...they seem to be the only ones with any kind of working prototype in a real world application)
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Toyota supposed to come out with its first gen of solid state battery in a year or 2. Might not be as good as some of the others that have been talked about but even a 50% weight reduction for 200-400 mile range per charge, no fire hazard and 200k-300k mile life span would be good enough for first gen.
 
bill dennison said:
i think battey life will doom that

30k+ to replace a lighting battery how much for a bus
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Yeah that’s a good point. Hopefully they make some insane advances before ‘35. In cost to the customer as well as battery life.
 
Almost everyone will end up adopting the same sort of thing before 2035.
 
If you're still buying a new gas powered car in 2035, its to add to your rotary phone, record player, and ironic hipster mustache.
 
huskylord said:
If you're still buying a new gas powered car in 2035, its to add to your rotary phone, record player, and ironic hipster mustache.
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Im more likely to buy a used gas powered car at that time, unless theres an EV that i find desirable. Right now and in the near future, they all seem kind of....samey.

Either some overpriced rich guy's bragging rights spec sheet monster, or some sort of normalish SUV/CUV you pay at luxury car prices.

And everyones favorite "low cost EV" options....a chevy Bolt or a Nissan Leaf.
Yes i WANT to replace my BMW X1 or my Toyota 86 with a Nissan Leaf or a Chevy Bolt.....:bleh:


Im kind of surprised the 2035 thing hasnt been a nation-wide mandate for the US....its nation wide in various countries already, Like Canada, i think Parts of Europe and some ASEAN market countries (2035 seems to be THE year, and anyone who declared 2030 before seems to be pushing that to 2035 now)
 
I'll bet you a $1 that if you buy a car in 2035, it will not be powered by gas.

EDIT: (thats a Cdn $.....not U.S. I'm not that rich)
 
Sasquach said:
Im more likely to buy a used gas powered car at that time, unless theres an EV that i find desirable. Right now and in the near future, they all seem kind of....samey.

Either some overpriced rich guy's bragging rights spec sheet monster, or some sort of normalish SUV/CUV you pay at luxury car prices.

And everyones favorite "low cost EV" options....a chevy Bolt or a Nissan Leaf.
Yes i WANT to replace my BMW X1 or my Toyota 86 with a Nissan Leaf or a Chevy Bolt.....:bleh:


Im kind of surprised the 2035 thing hasnt been a nation-wide mandate for the US....its nation wide in various countries already, Like Canada, i think Parts of Europe and some ASEAN market countries (2035 seems to be THE year, and anyone who declared 2030 before seems to be pushing that to 2035 now)
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I'd be more surprised if anything DID happen in that area at the federal level anytime soon. But I don't think it's necessary at this point. Every auto manufacturer seems to be modernizing their product plan to phase out ICE powered vehicles on their own. By 2035, I'd be more impressed if you could find an ICE powered mass market car in any volume.

BEV cars just have too many design features that make them better than ICE cars. Fewer moving parts to break, quicker R&D to production time because there's less to model and simulate. The engines are smaller, last longer, and can be made safer. BEV motors can deliver MUCH more torque and horsepower to the wheels than an ICE platform can. The weight can be put down low, instead of out front, which helps traction, stability, and control. (just look at the VW Buzz which is an actual bus but thanks to its center-of-gravity a lot of reviewers are talking about how surprising the handling is)

I fully expect that by 2035 no one worth mentioning will be developing or manufacturing ICE based cars anymore. Sure, there will be some outliers, I expect Dodge for example will cling to its "muscle car" status and still produce big V8 powered engine vehicles for a while, and I'm sure there will be others. But the lineup that isn't focused on Tim the Toolman Taylor "MOAR POWER MUAHAHAHA" market segments will have transitioned over.

I do expect that big diesel powered trucks and construction equipment may take a while longer.
 
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