problem is the lithium and how ungreen it is and it's mining
https://ecojungle.net/post/lithium-...g destroys the soil,to the risk of extinction.
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problem is the lithium and how ungreen it is and it's mining
https://ecojungle.net/post/lithium-...g destroys the soil,to the risk of extinction.
acroig
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We should have gone with hydrogen fuel cell.
It's not perfect. And a lot of R&D investment in battery technologies and recycling should help with the environmental impacts and mining concerns.
But in any case it seems like the answer isn't to do nothing, the environmental impacts of staying on fossil fuels isn't going away anytime soon.
I still remember Obama doing some celebration around opening up a hydrogen fuel cell gas station.
The market had an opportunity to pick a winner in technology transition, and seems to have picked battery electric vehicles.
acroig
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Agreed.
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Yeah it's looking like at best Hydrogen will only be used in heavy vehicles like freight trucks where time=money is a bigger factor. Chargers are easier to maintain once hooked up to the grid. Hydrogen like gas will still need to be shipped around in tankers to refill the stations. The tanks needed to contain hydrogen are totally different than a tank that holds gasoline so that infrastructure would need an almost total rebuild and chargers are just way too far ahead of the game now. Not to mention no hydrogen at home.
acroig
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I don't have a gas station at home either.
I think the point is that hydrogen would be far more eco friendly that the continued mining of lithium.
I don't have a gas station at home either.
I think the point is that hydrogen would be far more eco friendly that the continued mining of lithium.
If only picking the "more eco friendly" option was the thing that drove industries.
acroig
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If only picking the "more eco friendly" option was the thing that drove industries.
Indeed. I'm not an engineer so what do I know. As a consumer hydrogen seems the best option.
I don't have a gas station at home either.
I think the point is that hydrogen would be far more eco friendly that the continued mining of lithium.
It can be, but right now most hydrogen is made from natural gas not from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewables. If I remember right the process of splitting water has quite a bit of loss and you still have to tanker the result around to filling stations. I'm not opposed to the tech, it does seem that it makes more sense for shipping freight around where time really equals money. You'd still need a small battery to capture regenerative braking though. Heavy stuff like that can regen a ton of energy.
I don't have a gas station at home either.
I think the point is that hydrogen would be far more eco friendly that the continued mining of lithium.
and longer range
a 5 minute refill not 90+ minutes
and i'm sure they could come up with a home hydrogen generator from water and solar electricity
Well they do make residential sized fuel cells, may have to modify them so you can collect the hydrogen and refill with water. They're not as efficient as batteries and they generate a bit of heat in operation and you'll need to properly vent the excess O2 so nothing goes kabloey. There may even be government incentives to operate one. Still it's more work than a battery that just sits there doing its thing until it finally wears out but you get the side benefit of operating a FCEV.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/29/23326940/ford-mystery-electric-truck-ev-2025
bet it's a small king cab pickup
Silent-Runner
Noli timere messorem
of course hydrogen would've been the better option. But for some "reason" they (the industry) went the complete opposite direction. Makes you wonder how that happened 
of course hydrogen would've been the better option. But for some "reason" they (the industry) went the complete opposite direction. Makes you wonder how that happened
hydrogen has had a bad rap since the hindenburg
Silent-Runner
Noli timere messorem
hydrogen has had a bad rap since the hindenburg
ah, the famous hindenburg rap, right before eminem.
acroig
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Sasquach
Hidden in plain sight
ah, the famous hindenburg rap, right before eminem.
Its got the air head
In the air head,
When its fair, dead
and inbred
From the heluim and the cesium to delerium in your cranium
from all the balooning and cartooning and splatooning from the morning
and canoodling with the noodles in the soup bowls and loop holes
when you cant ban the gasoline, huffing and puffing all the cans of these
like a hindenburg blowing up smoke like a heisenberg toking that smoke.
Its all for the sake of the green, energy
and the green, enemies, not very green next to me
worlds going down without that green to flow down
and thats the lowdown when the world will burn down.
https://www.mystateline.com/news/na...c-vehicles-days-after-announcing-gas-car-ban/
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california residents
"Please go home and sit in the dark and do nothing till further notice "