California to ban new gas car sales by 2035

curio said:
Ah okay I see what you're saying there. Yeah could be a difficult thing with existing infrastructure, but that just tells me it's time for an upgrade.

Our entire country is in desperate need of a new power grid with newer tech.
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:lol:

yea about 50 years ago :bleh:

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of course i'm never happy when they dig up my yard :lol:

that APS has done 5 times now
transformer is on the ground in my side yard :bleh:
 
bill dennison said:
:lol:

yea about 50 years ago :bleh:
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For real. But history has shown that often it takes mandates to move industry forward. Seat belts, food labels, kids car seats, air bags, fuel injection, etc etc etc - all of these came about not through innovation but through mandates; often in spite of industry & corporate resistance. And we are for the most part better off for these things.

bill dennison said:
of course i'm never happy when they dig up my yard :lol:

that APS has done 5 times now
transformer is on the ground in my side yard :bleh:
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Do they have egress rights there and can just go on your property anytime and do what they want?

They do here. One time a guy was in my backyard digging and wasn't even wearing a vest or company clothes or any logos - just like finding some random guy digging in your yard. And he didn't speak English. I put 2+2 together but still that was a big WTF moment.
 
curio said:
For real. But history has shown that often it takes mandates to move industry forward. Seat belts, food labels, kids car seats, air bags, fuel injection, etc etc etc - all of these came about not through innovation but through mandates; often in spite of industry & corporate resistance. And we are for the most part better off for these things.



Do they have egress rights there and can just go on your property anytime and do what they want?

They do here. One time a guy was in my backyard digging and wasn't even wearing a vest or company clothes or any logos - just like finding some random guy digging in your yard. And he didn't speak English. I put 2+2 together but still that was a big WTF moment.
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yes

oh they have to ask

the gate is locked
it's a APS lock so the meter readers have a key and my power box is only about 12 feet away from the transformer
but the guys that dig never have a key

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now centurylink put in new telephone pedestals and rased them up about 6 inches and added dirt around it and bured my workshop side wall about 4 inches termites loved it :bleh:
 
bill dennison said:
https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/big-changes-for-california-net-metering

why whould you pay 50k for a solar system under NEM 3.0 that the power co gets all the benefit :nuts:
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Yuck, I'm reading that if no changes are made that will raise your break even on solar from an average of 6 years to 12 from another source! Really hoping the price increase is used to smart the grid (also hoping this isn't a prelude to jack everyone's rates up so high that solar goes back to 6 years break even).

I don't see why in places where solar penetration is so high that some well placed molten salt batteries can even out the electric for entire neighborhoods and then you'd just need one high voltage line to trickle charge the salt. It's molten salt so not like the heat will do anything to them and the lines from the salt to the homes would be the smaller variety that might withstand more of the heat.
 
California is ****ing see edit and EVs aren't the answer.

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LazyEdit: Removed offensive language.

We have members here who have excellent reason to get angry when seeing that word. It won’t be tolerated
 
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Tyr-Sog said:
F*&^ commiefornia! Where the hell is that earthquake at? Succeed already! Just leave the Union!
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CA is the largest contributor to the US GDP at roughly $3.4 trillion dollars GSP. Why would you want them to secede?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California

The economy of the State of California is the largest in the United States, with a $3.4 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2021. It is the largest sub-national economy in the world. If California were a sovereign nation (2022), it would rank as the world's fifth largest economy, behind Germany and ahead of India
 
Clockwork said:
CA is the largest contributor to the US GDP at roughly $3.4 trillion dollars GSP. Why would you want them to secede?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California

The economy of the State of California is the largest in the United States, with a $3.4 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2021. It is the largest sub-national economy in the world. If California were a sovereign nation (2022), it would rank as the world's fifth largest economy, behind Germany and ahead of India
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not for long
https://buildremote.co/companies/companies-leaving-california/

https://www.globest.com/2022/03/07/...fornia-keeps-growing/?slreturn=20220806121416
and as their power problems grow more will move out
 
bill dennison said:
not for long
https://buildremote.co/companies/companies-leaving-california/
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It would take a lot to cause the GDP of California to fall by any appreciable amount.

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Their GDP was in the ballpark of $2.8T (Trillion with a T) last year. That puts them just under France in terms of GDP compared to the rest of the world. They could lose the GDP of Saudi Arabia ($1.0T ish and #18 in the world rankings) and still be about even with Texas.

bill dennison said:
https://www.globest.com/2022/03/07/...fornia-keeps-growing/?slreturn=20220806121416
and as their power problems grow more will move out
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Well if these companies are looking for places to move to avoid power problems, they'll want to probably skip most of the red states like Texas and Florida.
 
well not just power

Exodus of Corporate HQ from California Keeps Growing
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Texas, Tennessee, Arizona and Nevada are top destinations for companies moving their headquarters out of California.
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Nearly 300 corporations have moved their headquarters out of California since the beginning of 2018, according to Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. The pace of this exodus accelerated in 2021, with 2020’s total of 74 HQ relocations from California exceeded in the first half of 2021.

In a 2021 report entitled Why Company Headquarters Are Leaving California in Unprecedented Numbers, Hoover Institution said an exceedingly poor business tax climate is driving companies out of California.
The Tax Foundation’s 2021 State Business Tax Climate Index ranked California at no. 49, with the Golden State outranking only New Jersey, which perennially lands at the bottom of the Tax Foundation’s list.
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https://www.globest.com/2022/03/07/exodus-of-corporate-hq-from-california-keeps-growing/
 
I thinking access to water will also prove increasingly important in the coming future. The rust belt might just become once again the defacto place to be based strictly on weather, water, and relatively "boring" weather.
 
huskylord said:
I thinking access to water will also prove increasingly important in the coming future. The rust belt might just become once again the defacto place to be based strictly on weather, water, and relatively "boring" weather.
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the crime numbers will keep them out of the rust belt
and has people leaving NY
 
bill dennison said:
the crime numbers will keep them out of the rust belt
and has people leaving NY
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I think the unbearably high rent and cost of living in NY is causing that more than anything else. Why pay $5k/month for a studio apt when you can work from home doing your dumb HR job and live in Indiana :bleh: :lol:
 
Recently was said that Canada's grid could handle about half the cars on the road being EV's. With further improvement over the next 10-20 years itll be ways to accommodate more than that.



https://www.virta.global/blog/myth-buster-electric-vehicles-will-overload-the-power-grid

Fact: If 80% of all passenger cars become electric, this would lead to a total increase of 10-15% in electricity consumption.

So far, the market entry of EVs has been very predictable and the electric grid is constantly being developed in parallel. Current EV market trends show low to moderate energy uptake rates.

The projected growth in e-mobility will not drive an immediate or substantial increase in total electrical-grid power demand, according to a study by McKinsey & Company. This means EV’s aren’t likely to cause any abrupt surprises or disruptions in our power supply and there is no need for new electricity-generation capacity in the near future.

If we take Germany as an example, EV growth won’t cause any large increases in power demand through 2030. On the contrary, EVs could add 1% to the total and require about five extra gigawatts (GW) of generation capacity. That amount could grow to roughly 4% by 2050, which would only require an additional capacity of about 20 GW. Moreover, this new-build capacity will likely involve renewables, including wind and solar power, with some gas-powered generation.
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pax said:
Recently was said that Canada's grid could handle about half the cars on the road being EV's. With further improvement over the next 10-20 years itll be ways to accommodate more than that.



https://www.virta.global/blog/myth-buster-electric-vehicles-will-overload-the-power-grid
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I imagine quite a bit can be done with load balancing. I read somewhere that when California was doing power outs due to fire that Tesla started putting battery backups on their superchargers in the affected areas. I can imagine gas stations turning their underground gas tanks into batteries, charging them with cheap electric at night and charging super charger rates during the day and really rake the profits, probably more than the penny or two a gallon when they were selling gas.

If the managers at the stations play their cards right can even play a bit of rate arbitrage themselves keeping the beer cool for their customers.
 
Ya it would also be good way to store the uptime of windmills and solar panels by using the total mass of car batts as part of the system to go after downtimes... People with 200 mile batts but who only use 20-30 miles could choose to upload when prices are higher like when they get home from work. Would save on having to build gravity storage or other systems.

Really looking forward to the solid state batts that would allow a much higher charge and number of charging cycles to make this effective.
 
pax said:
Ya it would also be good way to store the uptime of windmills and solar panels by using the total mass of car batts as part of the system to go after downtimes... People with 200 mile batts but who only use 20-30 miles could choose to upload when prices are higher like when they get home from work. Would save on having to build gravity storage or other systems.

Really looking forward to the solid state batts that would allow a much higher charge and number of charging cycles to make this effective.
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I keep hearing about Solid State batteries being the "next big thing" but it seems to be in development forever. They seem to be faster charging, longer range, but shorter overall life due to eventual cracks that can form within. And im thinking all these other breakthrough battery chemistries currently being revealed will also likely undergo 5+ years of testing before seeing any kind of production release.

I guess we'll see in 2025ish when Toyota starts rolling them out for their hybrids (assuming their SS batteries will be deemed production ready by then...they seem to be the only ones with any kind of working prototype in a real world application)
 
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