the_sextein
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It looks to me that the 12900KS is about 20% faster than the 5950X and AMD is claiming 30% performance advantage over the 5950X with it's new 7950X. So Intel has to improve gaming performance 10% beyond the 12900Ks with raptor lake to match the 7950X. If they have a 5% IPC improvement combined with a 300Mhz clock increase like it is rumored then I think it's going to be close.
Concerning multithreading, I've seen leaked benchmarks from Intel that show impressive gains that eek out past the 7950X by a little but these are benchmarks that favor Intel. It looks to me that AMD is going to outperform Intel when it comes to blender and V-ray If last gen comparisons are anything to go by which seems likely.
I don't see how Intel can compete when it comes to efficiency even with the E-cores. They have double the E-cores and the inefficient P cores going up against 16 very efficient P cores from AMD and multithread performance doesn't look to favor them by much if any.
Price could play a factor but with AMD clamping down at $700 for the 7950X it doesn't leave alot of room for Intel to play with unless they want to take major losses to profit.
I have no doubt that Intel will push past AMD in gaming at any cost to efficiency but even that advantage may disappear towards the end of the system life when games start to need more power and AMD's additional 8 P cores start to flex their muscle. Add in AMD's promise to support AM5 till 2025 and expected lower operating temps, it's looking pretty grim for Intel in my opinion. I intend to wait and see what they have to offer but I'm not optimistic at the moment. If Intel pulls off an unexpected miracle IPC gain with insane thermal improvements somehow then it could pull off a win but it doesn't seem likely considering the 10nm limitations and the size and age of their P core design.
It does look like Intel will be competitive regarding single and multithread performance and most likely price. It's just the power and heat combined with it's limited long-term performance of both the chip and the platform that I think will sink it for people who pay attention. I don't think it's going to be a disaster, it will be a competitive chip but X3D early next year might really put Intel down for the count if they can't react quickly with some serious improvements to the P cores. Meteor lake keeps getting delayed as well so things could get pretty rough for Intel in the near future.
Concerning multithreading, I've seen leaked benchmarks from Intel that show impressive gains that eek out past the 7950X by a little but these are benchmarks that favor Intel. It looks to me that AMD is going to outperform Intel when it comes to blender and V-ray If last gen comparisons are anything to go by which seems likely.
I don't see how Intel can compete when it comes to efficiency even with the E-cores. They have double the E-cores and the inefficient P cores going up against 16 very efficient P cores from AMD and multithread performance doesn't look to favor them by much if any.
Price could play a factor but with AMD clamping down at $700 for the 7950X it doesn't leave alot of room for Intel to play with unless they want to take major losses to profit.
I have no doubt that Intel will push past AMD in gaming at any cost to efficiency but even that advantage may disappear towards the end of the system life when games start to need more power and AMD's additional 8 P cores start to flex their muscle. Add in AMD's promise to support AM5 till 2025 and expected lower operating temps, it's looking pretty grim for Intel in my opinion. I intend to wait and see what they have to offer but I'm not optimistic at the moment. If Intel pulls off an unexpected miracle IPC gain with insane thermal improvements somehow then it could pull off a win but it doesn't seem likely considering the 10nm limitations and the size and age of their P core design.
It does look like Intel will be competitive regarding single and multithread performance and most likely price. It's just the power and heat combined with it's limited long-term performance of both the chip and the platform that I think will sink it for people who pay attention. I don't think it's going to be a disaster, it will be a competitive chip but X3D early next year might really put Intel down for the count if they can't react quickly with some serious improvements to the P cores. Meteor lake keeps getting delayed as well so things could get pretty rough for Intel in the near future.
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