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That I get. But only so much your AMD's and nVidia's can really do about that when even the developer probably doesn't have the resources to get the engine more optimized on top of it all.

We get a couple games like this every once in awhile.


Funny that you say they don't have the resoruces to optimize the game ...
Id Software with their Doom series had more resources ? A 2020 game works like a charm on old hardware.

Wait .... Doom didn't exist when they begun Cyberpunk development...I forgot that Cyberpunk was so postponed very much and still need a ton of fixing.Meh...
 
Doom looks nice, but has a lot of low polygon assets, It's a game that looks great as long as you don't look close.
 
I think this guy is just convincing himself to not spend money.

Nothing wrong with that, though but life is short and if he really wanted to buy a card he wouldn't argue so much with people on the internet and he would have just bought a card by now.
 
I think this guy is just convincing himself to not spend money.

Nothing wrong with that, though but life is short and if he really wanted to buy a card he wouldn't argue so much with people on the internet and he would have just bought a card by now.

:yep:
 
Funny that you say they don't have the resoruces to optimize the game ...
Id Software with their Doom series had more resources ? A 2020 game works like a charm on old hardware.

Wait .... Doom didn't exist when they begun Cyberpunk development...I forgot that Cyberpunk was so postponed very much and still need a ton of fixing.Meh...

A studio can totally nail it.

Cyberpunk 2077 is an absolutely beast of a project to start with and then they layered on the insanity. Not being well optimized was probably something we should have all seen coming. The idea of trying to make a cutting edge 3D engine and release on the number of platforms they did, all at the same time I might add, was a bad idea.
 
A studio can totally nail it.

Cyberpunk 2077 is an absolutely beast of a project to start with and then they layered on the insanity. Not being well optimized was probably something we should have all seen coming. The idea of trying to make a cutting edge 3D engine and release on the number of platforms they did, all at the same time I might add, was a bad idea.

Agreed.
 
A studio can totally nail it.

Cyberpunk 2077 is an absolutely beast of a project to start with and then they layered on the insanity. Not being well optimized was probably something we should have all seen coming. The idea of trying to make a cutting edge 3D engine and release on the number of platforms they did, all at the same time I might add, was a bad idea.

The guys from Rockstar made massive projects with GTA games over and over....In Cyberpunk the city is just Scifi/steampunk..
 
The guys from Rockstar made massive projects with GTA games over and over....In Cyberpunk the city is just Scifi/steampunk..

And they only be released on maybe 1 to 2 platforms at a time and they didn't try to do such a bleeding edge level engine tech wise.
 
And they only be released on maybe 1 to 2 platforms at a time and they didn't try to do such a bleeding edge level engine tech wise.

by "bleeding edge level engine tech" you mean the graphic engine ? I remember gta V used Idtech graphic engine.


Anyway i found a serious discount for the evga Nu audio Pro sound card on amazon.Is only 199$ + 53 shipping and custom fees to my country from US...The card is 299$ usually
 
The only internal sound cards worth money are the Creative AE series. Such as the 9. Otherwise, consider outboard sound cards. The EVGA has no dolby encoding and it's headphone is probably less capable then most new motherboards out now. Hard to say, they don't go into the specs of the amp. (The AE series has dual amps).
 
by "bleeding edge level engine tech" you mean the graphic engine ? I remember gta V used Idtech graphic engine.

Nah GTA V use's their own in house engine called "RAGE", which they developed after the studio behind the engine they had used since GTA3 got bought up by EA. Rockstar is also a way bigger company that CDProjektRed, so they basicly dedicated most of Rockstar San-Diego just to develop the RAGE engine. RAGE is now used across allot of Rockstar games.

Also don't forget the PS3 & 360 where the original target platforms. All other platform versions came yearslater. Also while it's a good looking engine, it was hardly bleeding edge even on release because of those initial target platforms.
 
The only internal sound cards worth money are the Creative AE series. Such as the 9. Otherwise, consider outboard sound cards. The EVGA has no dolby encoding and it's headphone is probably less capable then most new motherboards out now. Hard to say, they don't go into the specs of the amp. (The AE series has dual amps).


I do have the Evga Nu Audio non-pro.The pro is much better for headphones.
I do tell you that the nu audio is made by an UK audiophile company Audio Note actually.The card is really awesome.I had the Essence ST and Powercolor devilHD and the Nu audio is above both.
 
Nah GTA V use's their own in house engine called "RAGE", which they developed after the studio behind the engine they had used since GTA3 got bought up by EA. Rockstar is also a way bigger company that CDProjektRed, so they basicly dedicated most of Rockstar San-Diego just to develop the RAGE engine. RAGE is now used across allot of Rockstar games.

Also don't forget the PS3 & 360 where the original target platforms. All other platform versions came yearslater. Also while it's a good looking engine, it was hardly bleeding edge even on release because of those initial target platforms.

I thought Rage was based on idtech but is not.My confusion.
The GTA V graphics looks a bit simplistic.In a way i expected this.Imo is too much work for this kind of game to actually put details.The world is huge.
 
GTA V was state of the art at the time. I think you're forgetting how old the game is.

RDR2 is a good example of the upgrades Rockstar made. It also runs great too considering what it looks like. With Vulkan, even mGPU is alive and people are running SLI with good scaling. Pretty cool stuff.
 
GTA V was state of the art at the time. I think you're forgetting how old the game is.

RDR2 is a good example of the upgrades Rockstar made. It also runs great too considering what it looks like. With Vulkan, even mGPU is alive and people are running SLI with good scaling. Pretty cool stuff.


i personally have not played GTA V myself but i saw reviewers use it to fps measure all the time.I have finished San Andreas.
I saw a trend there in graphics between San Andreas and GTA V
 
Yes it's still a good benchmark for CPU performance. I don't know about GPU these days, though.

San Andreas was the last one that didn't have a realistic look to it, but I'd assume that was an artistic decision. The graphics of GTA IV and V were going for realism, or at least it looks that way.
 
I do have the Evga Nu Audio non-pro.The pro is much better for headphones.
I do tell you that the nu audio is made by an UK audiophile company Audio Note actually.The card is really awesome.I had the Essence ST and Powercolor devilHD and the Nu audio is above both.

It probably is better because the other ones are pretty old with dacs on par with new motherboards. It just seems a bit strange to plop down 300 bucks for something to be confined to your computer inside EMI hell and no dolby encoding of any sort. These days, there are negligible differences with audio quality regarding dacs.

Most outboard if any at all won't have Dolby either, but if you are buying a sound card to stick in your computer which is probably mostly to game with, it seems silly to not have the encoding. A high quality pair of cans with good amps, goes a much longer way than sound card dacs.
 
It probably is better because the other ones are pretty old with dacs on par with new motherboards. It just seems a bit strange to plop down 300 bucks for something to be confined to your computer inside EMI hell and no dolby encoding of any sort. These days, there are negligible differences with audio quality regarding dacs.

Most outboard if any at all won't have Dolby either, but if you are buying a sound card to stick in your computer which is probably mostly to game with, it seems silly to not have the encoding. A high quality pair of cans with good amps, goes a much longer way than sound card dacs.


The Nu Audios are actually external dac with a bridge chip on them.
Is actually a subgroup in my device manager called "Evga USB Audio Device"
I have Audio Tehnica AD2000x ... The sound is absolutely fantastic.No EMI problems but i read people that have on the forums.I think is the AIO.
It doesn't have dolby BUT it decodes DSD files.... For me is much intersting feature than dolby
Anyway look here at the components used.

https://www.evga.com/articles/01281/evga-nu-audio/

You can't do that with an onboard sound card.
Audio Note is audiophile company.This card is about raw pure sound. :)
 
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