The Official Navi21 (RX 6000) rumor thread.

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acroig said:
nV cards are going to look like bargains. :bleh:
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no i don't think 24gb of HBM2e will push them into NVidia stratosphere pricing

that is most likely a Radeon Pro Graphics card and the gaming card will be 16gb

but it is interesting they maybe going back to HBM memory with this HBM2e

https://semiengineering.com/hbm2e-the-e-stands-for-evolutionary/

or beginning to wonder if with double the 5700 xt specs and 24gb HBM if it is some form of MCM


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Alleged AMD Next-Gen Flagship Navi ‘Radeon RX’ GPU Specifications Leaked – 5120 Cores, 24 GB HBM2e Memory, 2 TB/s Bandwidth
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AMD's Next-Gen, Flagship 'Big Navi' GPU Allegedly Leaks Out - 80 CUs, 5120 Cores, 24 GB HBM2E Memory & 2 TB/s Bandwidth
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hell double the price to i will pay 800 to 900 for that

https://wccftech.com/amd-next-gen-flagship-radeon-rx-navi-gpu-specs-leak-5120-cores-24-gb-memory/
 
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Source (Guru3D): The twitter photo is a confirmed fake :(

Update February 26th, 7:53 - The SK Hynix team has contacted us indeed verifying our expectations, as well the technical configuration did not make much sense. The photo is fake.:

This is **** at SK hynix Global PR Team.

We have a great concern over your recent article about the AMD specs leaked: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/a...-5950-xt-would-get-80-cus-and-24-gb-hbme.html The picture or the screen capture that CyberPunkCat posted, on which your article is based, is fake. First of all, the actual specifications of our HBM2e are wrong in the document.

You can check our specs in our previous press release: https://news.skhynix.com/sk-hynix-develops-worlds-fastest-high-bandwidth-memory-hbm2e/ The size of the chip and the bus doesn’t add up, if you do the math. Also, the Korean text in the document says “With Local Communities… 2020 Happiness,” which has nothing to do with HBM2E development.

Moreover, this part actually appears on the main page of our Korean newsroom (https://news.skhynix.co.kr/) as a title for one of our content. And as you can see, you can copy and paste the FY2019 Earnings part from our English newsroom: https://news.skhynix.com/sk-hynix-inc-reports-fiscal-year-2019-and-fourth-quarter-results/

I’d also have to say this is not a document format we use at SK hynix. So, overall, this whole document looks very fake, which certainly undermines the original Twitter user’s claim, and eventually the credibility of your article. We are greatly concerned that this fake news might have some negative influence in any form.
 
We know something is coming out in March, probably some pro card, but these specs didnt make sense. ROP ratio to CUs didnt jive.

Su did say she would give out details of Navi 2 on the 5th tho.
 
pax said:
We know something is coming out in March, probably some pro card, but these specs didnt make sense. ROP ratio to CUs didnt jive.

Su did say she would give out details of Navi 2 on the 5th tho.
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if so i hope they get the virus :bleh:
 
pax said:
We know something is coming out in March, probably some pro card, but these specs didnt make sense. ROP ratio to CUs didnt jive.

Su did say she would give out details of Navi 2 on the 5th tho.
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Nobody should be expecting anything until the end of the year for consumer gaming card (high end). Up til the beginning of last month, until Su made a comment, nobody thought they would have anything high end until 2021. But of course, shortly after her statement in January, the rumor mill went into full production. Currently we have nothing but rumors for both AMD and Nvidia as neither has made an official announcement.
 
Ok...

The 24GB HBM card isn't Big Navi...

It's Arcturus and it's basically Vega 3. It's the professional card for crunching lots of big numbers very quickly. Render beast not a beast of a gaming card.

Sorry guys.
 
people like adored spout pipe dreams as if they are reality and when AMD delivers a perfectly reasonable product the rumor goes nuts and claims that AMD is terrible and couldn't manage to deliver. Even though the rumors they pulled out of their butt were never really to begin with. That stuff drives me nuts.
 
Gandalfthewhite said:
people like adored spout pipe dreams as if they are reality and when AMD delivers a perfectly reasonable product the rumor goes nuts and claims that AMD is terrible and couldn't manage to deliver. Even though the rumors they pulled out of their butt were never really to begin with. That stuff drives me nuts.
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Rumours always work like that. You're also forgetting publications publishing 10 scenarios within X amount of months, and then if one of these is close to the truth, you see the "ZOMG TOLD YOU SO SINCE LAST YEAR" headlines.

That's how it works unfortunately.
 
Kombatant said:
Rumours always work like that. You're also forgetting publications publishing 10 scenarios within X amount of months, and then if one of these is close to the truth, you see the "ZOMG TOLD YOU SO SINCE LAST YEAR" headlines.

That's how it works unfortunately.
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You still post here? :p
 
Another tidbit of note is they are calling it RDNA 2x... as in 2x the perf. Which would mean 50% faster than a 2080ti when doubling the 5700xt perf.
 
pax said:
Another tidbit of note is they are calling it RDNA 2x... as in 2x the perf. Which would mean 50% faster than a 2080ti when doubling the 5700xt perf.
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AMD Says its Upcoming RDNA 2 and Navi 2x Will Boost Performance per Watt by 50%
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What does that mean, exactly? That's where things get very murky. If AMD includes ray tracing performance in any fashion, it should be trivial to achieve a 50% improvement in performance per Watt. Assuming it's more than that, however, and either AMD is looking to provide 50% more performance than current RDNA 1 parts at the same power levels, or else cut power requirements by 33% while keeping performance the same, or most likely RDNA 2 will land somewhere in between those two.
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By our own benchmarks, the RTX 2080 Ti is currently the fastest consumer graphics card, beating the RX 5700 XT by about 31% on average. That's not the whole story, however. The RTX 2080 Ti is only 15% faster than the 5700 XT at 1080p medium, 25% faster at 1080p ultra, 40% faster at 1440p ultra, and 50% faster at 4K ultra. The problem is that the RTX 2080 Ti will be two years old this fall, and Nvidia is expected to launch its next-generation Ampere GPUs this year as well.
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rdna-2-navi-2xl-boost-performance-per-watt-50-percent

so it needs to be 60%+ faster than a RX 5700 XT at 4k ultra to beat a 2080 ti if they are going for the 4k market like they say
16gb and much more memory bandwidth of a RX 5700 XT to do 4k 60/120 well
HBM2e would do that

it will most likely be a 300+ watt card even with a 50% improvement in performance per Watt
 
bill dennison said:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rdna-2-navi-2xl-boost-performance-per-watt-50-percent

so it needs to be 60%+ faster than a RX 5700 XT at 4k ultra to beat a 2080 ti if they are going for the 4k market like they say
16gb and much more memory bandwidth of a RX 5700 XT to do 4k 60/120 well
HBM2e would do that

it will most likely be a 300+ watt card even with a 50% improvement in performance per Watt
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So I probably need around 50-60% faster at 1440p Ultra. But I still need to buy both Zen 3 and big navi to see a big gain. Otherwise I won't be seeing much gain if I only upgrade from Vega 56 to big navi while I'm stuck on 1st gen Zen CPU.
 
AMD’s Big Navi 7nm GPU Flagship Allegedly Features 505mm² Large Die And RDNA2 – Suggests 2x The Performance Of The RX 5700XT

The 7nm flagship in question, which could likely be called the AMD RX 5950 XT (or anything else really, AMD is free to shake things up you know), will feature a huge 505 mm² die that based on simple maths will offer at least 2x the performance of the 'smol Navi' RX 5700 XT GPU.

The RX 5700XT contains 40 CUs based on RDNA1 architecture and the upcoming RX 5950XT (or whatever AMD decides to call it) based on Navi 21 GPU could easily contain 80 CUs based on these numbers. This would result in a grand total of 5120 stream processors. Not counting any efficiency improvements going from RDNA1 to RDNA2 (which there certainly will be), this is a performance increase of at least 2x.


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Nv seems to be trying to wait them out to see just what they have here. I guess they want to try and keep that ridiculous price point alive. I'm ready for a new card, so somebody needs to deliver asap. :lol:
 
I mean I am ok with that I still say the 2060 / S should not be used for ray tracing and if you want to enable that feature you should be getting a 2070S.

as for 3 navi 2 cards this looks like a full stack lineup and id expect the new cards to be the 6xxx series starting with the highend release and slowly launching the other cards over the course of 2021.
 
Gandalfthewhite said:
I mean I am ok with that I still say the 2060 / S should not be used for ray tracing and if you want to enable that feature you should be getting a 2070S.

as for 3 navi 2 cards this looks like a full stack lineup and id expect the new cards to be the 6xxx series starting with the highend release and slowly launching the other cards over the course of 2021.
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Radeon TX 3080 :lol: :evil:
 
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