Showdown Fury X vs 980ti

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SSXeon said:
Edit: Thanks Gandalf good start to a new thread. :D


I've been lurking a bit as my job has been busy lately. I'll start? So what i just said below is just what you said kinda.

980Ti
-Overclocking is very very good. Around 30-40%+
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Sorry for cherry picking your post but this point needs clarification (I agree with the rest of your pros and cons).

980Ti does not overclock 30-40%, nowhere near it in fact. Official ref 980Ti core clock is 1000Mhz but the effective boost is ~1150-1200 or even higher. So "stock" 980Ti speeds are at these boost clocks of 1150MHz - 1200Mhz +. Overclocking will get to around 1350-1450 though generally not stay there on reference cards.

So from stock effective boost of ~1150Mhz to an overclock of 1400Mhz effective is around 17% overclock. My own 980Ti SC ACX 2.0+ has the following specs for clock speeds.

Core: 1102
Boost: 1190

Yet the effective "stock" boost is ~1240, it will overclock to a max boost of ~1450 which works out at 17% OC. It is illogical to take the 980Ti core clock of 1000Mhz and compare to the 980Ti overclock of 1300-1400Mhz and declare this a 30-40% overclock. Nvidia core, boost and effective speeds have been this way for years. it is still surprising to see folks make this mistake.
 
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catso said:
Sorry for cherry picking your post but this point needs clarification (I agree with the rest of your pros and cons).

980Ti does not overclock 30-40%, nowhere near it in fact. Official ref 980Ti core clock is 1000Mhz but the effective boost is ~1150-1200 or even higher. So "stock" 980Ti speeds are at these boost clocks of 1150MHz - 1200Mhz +. Overclocking will get to around 1350-1450 though generally not stay there on reference cards.

So overclock from stock effective boost of ~1150Mhz to 1400Mhz effective is around 17% overclock. My own 980Ti SC ACX 2.0+ has the following specs for clock speeds.

Core: 1102
Boost: 1190

Yet the effective "stock" boost is ~1240, it will overclock to a max boost of ~1450 which works out at 17% OC. It is illogical to take the 980Ti core clock of 1000Mhz and compare to the 980Ti overclock of 1300-1400Mhz and declare this a 30-40% overclock. Nvidia core, boost and effective speeds have been this way for years. it is still surprising to see folks make this mistake.
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it sounds like a better oc if you use the base clock numbers.
 
Higgy10 said:
it sounds like a better oc if you use the base clock numbers.
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I would not accuse all folks of being disingenuous about these thing, but I have had my fair share of folks using such dubious tactics to prove their favourite GPU is much better.
 
But base clock numbers are never achieved. It is more a 20% overclock on balance and performance gains are about 15-20% depending on game.
 
KAC said:
But base clock numbers are never achieved. It is more a 20% overclock on balance and performance gains are about 15-20% depending on game.
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I know those base numbers are never achieved, that's my point. Your 20% "on balance" (whatever that implies) is still not remotely close to 30-40% overclock.

Techpowerup got ~10% in game performance increase on their claimed 26% OC.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti/34.html

Hardwarecanucks got less than 10% performance increase from their OC
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...2-nvidia-gtx-980ti-performance-review-18.html

Anandtech got ~20% performance gains from their OC.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/17

Overall I would say 20% is at the highend of OC result on a 980Ti, certainly not "on balance".
 
catso said:
Sorry for cherry picking your post but this point needs clarification (I agree with the rest of your pros and cons).

980Ti does not overclock 30-40%, nowhere near it in fact. Official ref 980Ti core clock is 1000Mhz but the effective boost is ~1150-1200 or even higher. So "stock" 980Ti speeds are at these boost clocks of 1150MHz - 1200Mhz +. Overclocking will get to around 1350-1450 though generally not stay there on reference cards.

So from stock effective boost of ~1150Mhz to an overclock of 1400Mhz effective is around 17% overclock. My own 980Ti SC ACX 2.0+ has the following specs for clock speeds.

Core: 1102
Boost: 1190

Yet the effective "stock" boost is ~1240, it will overclock to a max boost of ~1450 which works out at 17% OC. It is illogical to take the 980Ti core clock of 1000Mhz and compare to the 980Ti overclock of 1300-1400Mhz and declare this a 30-40% overclock. Nvidia core, boost and effective speeds have been this way for years. it is still surprising to see folks make this mistake.
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OOPs yeah you are right, i was looking at 1000 to 1400Mhz(boost), sorry about that. ;)
 
catso said:
I know those base numbers are never achieved, that's my point. Your 20% "on balance" (whatever that implies) is still not remotely close to 30-40% overclock.

Techpowerup got ~10% in game performance increase on their claimed 26% OC.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti/34.html

Hardwarecanucks got less than 10% performance increase from their OC
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...2-nvidia-gtx-980ti-performance-review-18.html

Anandtech got ~20% performance gains from their OC.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/17

Overall I would say 20% is at the highend of OC result on a 980Ti, certainly not "on balance".
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Means most cards will achieve 20% overclock compared to stock. Typically stock cards are hitting 1140 boost and most oc I have seen are around 1400.
 
catso said:
I would not accuse all folks of being disingenuous about these thing, but I have had my fair share of folks using such dubious tactics to prove their favourite GPU is much better.
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Ya I know what you mean. Some reviews do show what boost clocks are attained at stock settings then show there overclocked ones to give a proper oc %
 
KAC said:
Means most cards will achieve 20% overclock compared to stock. Typically stock cards are hitting 1140 boost and most oc I have seen are around 1400.
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Which is nowhere near the 30%-40% SSXeon erroneously claimed. He has even acknowledged his error. I'm not sure why you are still posting about this, 20% (give or take) is about the max OC 980Ti cards will achieve.
 
You do realize that my response was not to you and that I am supporting your point of view. :nuts:
 
Higgy10 said:
Ya I know what you mean. Some reviews do show what boost clocks are attained at stock settings then show there overclocked ones to give a proper oc %
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The only 980Ti reference review I read that showed effective boost clocks was on Anandtech. They reported a 1202MHz effective boost clock at "stock".
 
Well if the refs didn't have such a shitty cooler, they could of put a higher base clock. These things should of been 1250 out the door with 1400 boost.
 
The pros and cons of both are well documented. HDMI 2.0 is not an issue for me. I don't game in the living room or plan to own a 4K set anytime soon. My 21:9 monitor has a displayport, so DVI isn't a stumbling block either. I expect a voltage unlock to help with overclocking on the Fury X, but I think the 980ti will keep an overall edge here.

I bought an XFX Fury X because I needed to upgrade the GPU in the machine my wife uses. So I gave her the 290X I was using and replaced it with the Fury X. I realize that the 980ti has more going for it at the moment. But I don't want a monopoly in the GPU industry and having seen how Nvidia behaves clear back to the 3DFX days, I will not support them as long as there is a viable alternative. Having said that they do engineer a good product and my view of them as a company is my own and I understand others may not share it.

My Fury X runs the few games I have thrown at it beautifully. It is quiet. It is competitive with the cards it is priced against. I expect that once tools like Afterburner support voltage changes it will overclock fairly well and with driver revisions it will see decent gains over its lifespan. I also expect DirectX12 drivers and Windows 10 to offer a modest boost. So overall I'm very satisfied with the card and expect it to age well.
 
BababooeyHTJ said:
Here is a "stock" msi 980 ti gaming doing 18% better than a reference ti. Should have some more headroom on top of that.

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Ti_Gaming/24.html

There are many non-reference reviews out there that show very good scaling.

Here is their overclocked comparison doing 30% better than a reference ti.

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Ti_Gaming/33.html
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It's about 27% better based on stock 980Ti vs custom cooled max overclocked 980Ti. It must be noted that the MSI Gaming 980Ti allows 120% power limit, compared to 110% power limit on the reference 980Ti. Still an excellent result of course. Though my ~20% number is based on the delta from overclocked compared to stock on the same card. For example the ~17% OC increase on my EVGA ACX SC 2.0+ is based on its "stock" effective boost clocks of ~1240MHz, not compared to a reference 980Ti.
 
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N-Chlamydia said:
The pros and cons of both are well documented. HDMI 2.0 is not an issue for me. I don't game in the living room or plan to own a 4K set anytime soon. My 21:9 monitor has a displayport, so DVI isn't a stumbling block either. I expect a voltage unlock to help with overclocking on the Fury X, but I think the 980ti will keep an overall edge here.

I bought an XFX Fury X because I needed to upgrade the GPU in the machine my wife uses. So I gave her the 290X I was using and replaced it with the Fury X. I realize that the 980ti has more going for it at the moment. But I don't want a monopoly in the GPU industry and having seen how Nvidia behaves clear back to the 3DFX days, I will not support them as long as there is a viable alternative. Having said that they do engineer a good product and my view of them as a company is my own and I understand others may not share it.

My Fury X runs the few games I have thrown at it beautifully. It is quiet. It is competitive with the cards it is priced against. I expect that once tools like Afterburner support voltage changes it will overclock fairly well and with driver revisions it will see decent gains over its lifespan. I also expect DirectX12 drivers and Windows 10 to offer a modest boost. So overall I'm very satisfied with the card and expect it to age well.
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Too late on the monopoly lol. The fury x is really tough sell, and it's not a decision made off logic imo or better benefit. The fury air will have to be seen.

AMD is winning where it counts atm imo. 329 for a 390x 8GB is tremendous value. Makes the 4gb 960 stupid pointless, 970 out of the competition, and 980 all look somewhat silly. The fury x however, I will stick to what I've said is a fanboy card, at 525-550 it would of been a slam dunk.
 
catso said:
It's about 27%, better based on stock 980Ti vs custom cooled max overclocked 980Ti. Still an excellent result of course, though my ~20% number is based on the delta from overclocked compared to stock on the same card.
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It could still be. The cooler and/or power limit is holding that card back. Even at stock. There are ways around the both. Probably going to cost you money though.

Either way, these cards clearly scale well with overclocks. It's the main reason that I went with one over a fury x.
 
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