Serious Sam: Second Ecounter
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Night Fisher
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Some of you guys are SOOO pathetic!
Some of you guys are SOOO pathetic!
The original poster wanted to know how the rest of us folks are
doing with this game. Only 3 R8500 folks really gave a damn and offered
some advice and provided their own performance ratings /settings.
Meanwhile, Soul Rage figured he'd provide his GF4 TI4600 scores for
us to get an idea of the performance and he is suddenly getting ripped
apart by users. I didn't see anything wrong with his post. Actually
it's kinda nice to see what the GF4 can do from the actual gamer's
perspective. He even offered some of his settings to clarifiy things.
What happens? He gets bashed left right and centre. I'm totally
appauled at the behaviour of some of the folk here. Wise up folks
and let's make this a place of information exchange, not a forum to
bash other products.
Nf.
Some of you guys are SOOO pathetic!
The original poster wanted to know how the rest of us folks are
doing with this game. Only 3 R8500 folks really gave a damn and offered
some advice and provided their own performance ratings /settings.
Meanwhile, Soul Rage figured he'd provide his GF4 TI4600 scores for
us to get an idea of the performance and he is suddenly getting ripped
apart by users. I didn't see anything wrong with his post. Actually
it's kinda nice to see what the GF4 can do from the actual gamer's
perspective. He even offered some of his settings to clarifiy things.
What happens? He gets bashed left right and centre. I'm totally
appauled at the behaviour of some of the folk here. Wise up folks
and let's make this a place of information exchange, not a forum to
bash other products.
Nf.
Spliffstarr
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Well with my retail 8500 running at 292/584 w/2x quality smoothvision and 16x aniso and all settings maxed i get frame rates around the low 30's and in really heavy fights i mean litrally 20-30 bots on the screen it drops down to the high 20's but that is in the heaviest of fights with rockets going of and explosioins happening every were. I got to say they that the visuals are really beautifull and the colors so nice and vibrant that it m akes me happy that i bought this cards and i play at 1028x764....
1.33 Athlon
512 PC2100@cas 2-2-2-5
MSI K7T266 Pro2 RU
40 gig MAXTOR ATA100/133 7200rpm + 10gig quantum 5400@6100rpm
6043's
WinXP
1.33 Athlon
512 PC2100@cas 2-2-2-5
MSI K7T266 Pro2 RU
40 gig MAXTOR ATA100/133 7200rpm + 10gig quantum 5400@6100rpm
6043's
WinXP
Night fisher,
Let's look at his first troll remarks
And he changed his post and did take it out because he was rubbing it in instead of offering objective info. Fan-boyish comments.
Another post:
Subjective views ARE FACTS to him.
He deleted a post offering Quincunx AA with filtering is Supreme IQ.
Filtering is nice but many, many GeForce owners are not offering Quincunx and filtering are Supreme IQ.
Snide.
Snide.
Snide.
I don't believe him at face value because of all his posts I have read from this one.
You raise two points to this one..... and they go right by him.
Value for the money and the AA caters to textures and texture aliasing -- meaning cleans up texturing artefacts.
He doesn't want to discuss things.... he wants to offer how superior his card is over the 8500 and money is no object, imho. You want to trust all his views at face value.. go right ahead.
Let's look at his first troll remarks
And he changed his post and did take it out because he was rubbing it in instead of offering objective info. Fan-boyish comments.
Another post:
Subjective views ARE FACTS to him.
He deleted a post offering Quincunx AA with filtering is Supreme IQ.
Filtering is nice but many, many GeForce owners are not offering Quincunx and filtering are Supreme IQ.
Snide.
Snide.
Snide.
I don't believe him at face value because of all his posts I have read from this one.
You raise two points to this one..... and they go right by him.
Value for the money and the AA caters to textures and texture aliasing -- meaning cleans up texturing artefacts.
He doesn't want to discuss things.... he wants to offer how superior his card is over the 8500 and money is no object, imho. You want to trust all his views at face value.. go right ahead.
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Night Fisher
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My take on SS2 + note to SirPauly
My take on SS2 + note to SirPauly
SIrPauly:
I took a look at his comments earlier and still didn't see any
issues. True, if he did say something to stick it in other folks
faces, then he's in the wrong...but I didn't get that impression.
Anyhow, this forum was getting pretty good for a while as the flaming
was slowing down and decent discussions were going on.
My main beef was that this thread was (as it always seem) losing the
original theme which was regarding Serious Sam 2. That's all i'm
going to say.
My Take on Serious Sam2:
Anyhow, SS2 on my system is amazing. I'm playing it at 1280x1024
and with vsync off (as this card's vsync sucks your fps away). My
FPS is between 40 and 45 most of the time. I go for normal settings
so i'm have Trilinear filtering ON and texture settings to normal (32-
bit). I am *NOT* using compressed textures (doesn't look good). Incidentally,
you can go to 16-bit colours w/ 32-bit textures (with dithering on)
and things run fast and look good. I prefer to use Direct3D since
the FPS is more stable for me than OpenGL.
I am using 6043 drivers and I run my monitor at 85Hz. I have a regular
Athlon TB1.3 (not overclocked) and i'm using the ECS K7S5A motherboard.
My 8500 is a retail running at 285/285. Suffice to say, my system is
by no means kick-ass... but it still runs the game well.
Nf.
My take on SS2 + note to SirPauly
SIrPauly:
I took a look at his comments earlier and still didn't see any
issues. True, if he did say something to stick it in other folks
faces, then he's in the wrong...but I didn't get that impression.
Anyhow, this forum was getting pretty good for a while as the flaming
was slowing down and decent discussions were going on.
My main beef was that this thread was (as it always seem) losing the
original theme which was regarding Serious Sam 2. That's all i'm
going to say.
My Take on Serious Sam2:
Anyhow, SS2 on my system is amazing. I'm playing it at 1280x1024
and with vsync off (as this card's vsync sucks your fps away). My
FPS is between 40 and 45 most of the time. I go for normal settings
so i'm have Trilinear filtering ON and texture settings to normal (32-
bit). I am *NOT* using compressed textures (doesn't look good). Incidentally,
you can go to 16-bit colours w/ 32-bit textures (with dithering on)
and things run fast and look good. I prefer to use Direct3D since
the FPS is more stable for me than OpenGL.
I am using 6043 drivers and I run my monitor at 85Hz. I have a regular
Athlon TB1.3 (not overclocked) and i'm using the ECS K7S5A motherboard.
My 8500 is a retail running at 285/285. Suffice to say, my system is
by no means kick-ass... but it still runs the game well.
Nf.
SirXcalibur
Admin in Shining Armour
Just moved it over to gaming...
TheDarkHorizon
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Updates on my results, I get a LOW of 30FPS and average of 40FPS outside, at 1024x768x32 with everything off. Not too bad considering my slow CPU. And I get 60+ indoors, which is very nice.
Soul Rage
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SIrPauly said:
Coulnd't help but peek in here one more time. Hey, Pauly, I deleted that part because I realized how you guys were taking it. That is all. I didn't want more trouble from it. That's all I am going to explain, I don't LIVE here, but that at least does require explaination.
Sharkfood
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xCLAVEx said:
The first Serious Sam didn't have the textures like SE has. And as far as the first SS, I'd tend to agree with you. I play the first edition at 1024x768 4xOGMS and 32-tap aniso on the GF3 and it looks great.
SE isn't the same case at all. There is something I'd qualify even as far as a "bug" on the GF3 that entails mipmap travel in motion that isn't the case on the 8500. A good example is to fire up SE and let the first fly-by over the first level (near the water pool where you drop and then a pan towards the temple at the end of the level).
The stairs have a texture with ornate edge pixels and lots of detail between. No matter what LOD or texture filtering settings, the GF3 has an error/mesh pattern that "walks" over this texture in motion. Screenshots dont pick it up, but in motion it's obvious.
Performance wise? The 8500 with the new leaked 9021's are all over this game. With AA + aniso, I'm actually getting substantially better framerates in this game, especially once IQ is balanced. Sure, I can create a configuration where the GF3 beats the 8500, but texture aliasing, mipmap errors, banding and other such ugliness is shockingly visible at all times on the GF3. After balancing the LOD/Texture filtering and effects in the advanced rendering config, config files and driver settings, I'm able to muster a clean/almost perfect IQ from the 8500 with better performance versus less clear/noisy texturing IQ from the GF3 at LESS performance.
I don't expect a GF3/4 owner to understand unless they have both cards to compare. I've noticed a lot of people have been conditioned to ignore or overlook what others find blaringly obvious and the recognition only occurs once they have seen better. 2D quality was always this way, along with AA quality and other IQ improvements. People would argue until they are blue in the face on just how superior their end result was... up until they actually had seen better then had to default to agree.
In any case, I still can't get clean IQ out of SS:SE on my GF3 for the life of me. I've tried just about every driver revision- 12.90, 22.40, 22.80,23.11, 27.20, 27.30 and the new 27.70 leaks... still no avail. Anisotropy actually makes the problem on far mipmaps *worse* as the mesh/moire crawl is heightened as you pull more detail from these highly ornate textures and it's just an eyesore.
Cheers,
-Shark
Soul Rage
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Sharkfood said:
Shark, I admittedly haven't tried the latest 9x drivers, so I don't know about the new performance levels. I have tried the latest (6043)
for XP, and wasn't nearly as impressed as I am running on the Ti4600,
and I assumed (for some reason) that you were running with XP. I am sorry for that, and I am also sorry about my first post in here.
I really didn't desire conflict and didn't write that to spark it, but as I read that first post again, I realized why you guys were flipping out, and edited it accordingly. I became hostile because you jumped my ass right away, and stayed hostile til I read your long post.
You are making sense, and maybe you are a little biased, but who cares. I kind of am too, now, just because of the time I wasted with the 8500. It just didn't want to work out.
And Shark, the GF4 really does boast some tight IQ, while the GF3 generally didn't, and I do get to compare the 8500 to it right now.
Sharkfood said:
Oh I see, I have a radeon once, don't like the driver support so I switch to nvidia and I am somebody who wouldn't understand? I am very please with the performance and price of my geforce 3. It beats what my radeon ever did hands down. I do understand because I have had both cards so there is no biased opinion from me unlike from you. Nuff said.
I was talking about the "radeon 8500" it was better than my old radeon but I didn't like it too much due to crappy drivers so I took it back and got a geforce 3, and I must say am very pleased with it and won't be taking this one back. Sorry shark, but the numbers have you on this one as I am obviously not the only one against you.
/clave
/clave
Sharkfood
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What numbers would this be? An nvidia trolls that goes around talking FPS with no quantifiable improvement over the 8500?
Not to mention a post about how wonderful and beautiful the output of Quincunx is. hah.
Well, if in your personal tastes you find Quincunx to look amazing and spectacular in SS:SE, there is nothing more to be said. I can only assume that kind of taste in IQ also prefers Quake2 in software mode versus OpenGL. lol. To each their own, I guess.
I just happen to prefer my games to have little to no errors/aliasing in textures, playable framerates, and decent edge AA. I can get 2 out of 3 on my GF3, and get all 3 on my 8500. 'nuff said. If you're willing to settle with 2 out of 3, or haven't truly experienced 3 out of 3, then so be it.
Ciao!
-Shark
Not to mention a post about how wonderful and beautiful the output of Quincunx is. hah.
Well, if in your personal tastes you find Quincunx to look amazing and spectacular in SS:SE, there is nothing more to be said. I can only assume that kind of taste in IQ also prefers Quake2 in software mode versus OpenGL. lol. To each their own, I guess.
I just happen to prefer my games to have little to no errors/aliasing in textures, playable framerates, and decent edge AA. I can get 2 out of 3 on my GF3, and get all 3 on my 8500. 'nuff said. If you're willing to settle with 2 out of 3, or haven't truly experienced 3 out of 3, then so be it.
Ciao!
-Shark
Speak for yourself, you began the trolling and I am going to finish it. However *sigh* you most likely want to have the last word so I'm expecting another post. Oh, and keep in mind there is nothing you can say that will change my opinion and I am not attempting to change your opinion (why bother when it I am obviously speaking to a narrow minded person?) I've had both cards, I found one I like more than the other, I liked both cards but I liked the GF3 more than the 8500. I also liked my old radeon LE when I had it and it served me well too so there is abosulutely no biased opinon from me as there is from you. I can't state it anymore clearly to you, it's as simple as that.
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DiaperJe|\|i3
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Now I remember why I don't post much anymore!
Now I remember why I don't post much anymore!
.... anyways, I was just wondering how I would get to the the advanced graphical setting in SS:SE I would like to see if truform is enabled and tweek other settings. Right now to ensure that I have no noticable studdering and slowdowns I am running @ 800X600 wiht everything maxed that I can see. This sucks as I would like @ least 1024X768. I don't think its my machine. XP+1500, 256megsDDR, KT277pro2 (something like that) Msi board , Radeon8500(OEM) and Win98SE... Its made me not want to play. Well, that and the 'Valley of the Jaguar' level is brutally hard on medium :ugh:
Now I remember why I don't post much anymore!
.... anyways, I was just wondering how I would get to the the advanced graphical setting in SS:SE I would like to see if truform is enabled and tweek other settings. Right now to ensure that I have no noticable studdering and slowdowns I am running @ 800X600 wiht everything maxed that I can see. This sucks as I would like @ least 1024X768. I don't think its my machine. XP+1500, 256megsDDR, KT277pro2 (something like that) Msi board , Radeon8500(OEM) and Win98SE... Its made me not want to play. Well, that and the 'Valley of the Jaguar' level is brutally hard on medium :ugh:
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