New Toyota Supra

Doesn't the 350Z come in around 3600lb? I think the Supra is only around 3300-3400. Either way, I have 3 buddies with the BRZ/FRS/86 and all 3 of them have to sandbag the **** out of the rear during the winter while running winter setups. The Supra looks like it's going to have that same struggle.
 
Nunz said:
Doesn't the 350Z come in around 3600lb? I think the Supra is only around 3300-3400. Either way, I have 3 buddies with the BRZ/FRS/86 and all 3 of them have to sandbag the **** out of the rear during the winter while running winter setups. The Supra looks like it's going to have that same struggle.
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The BRZ/FRS/86 is 2800lbs and has absolutely ridiculously skinny tires in stock form...
 
How is winter still a problem?

Don't you just get a GOOD set of winter tires, throw a few sandbags in the trunk and drive like an actual grandma (or drive like its actually winter) and you'll have no issues?
 
Even with winter tires, driving a RWD performance car is still not all that pleasing. The low ground clearance on most sporty cars also makes it an issue depending on the amount of snow typically seen in the area.

I drove my old E46 M3 on winter tires for several years before getting my FJ Cruiser. Even on winter tires, I had to be strategic about my route to home and/or work if there was winter weather (making sure not to get stopped going up hills, etc). What helped me out was that typically in Missouri, we don't have a ton of winter weather, just cold temperatures.
 
Mahjik said:
Even with winter tires, driving a RWD performance car is still not all that pleasing. The low ground clearance on most sporty cars also makes it an issue depending on the amount of snow typically seen in the area.

I drove my old E46 M3 on winter tires for several years before getting my FJ Cruiser. Even on winter tires, I had to be strategic about my route to home and/or work if there was winter weather (making sure not to get stopped going up hills, etc). What helped me out was that typically in Missouri, we don't have a ton of winter weather, just cold temperatures.
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I guess the other question is...what set of winter tires do people use?
do they use actual ice + snow tires (severe winter rated) or do they use the so called "performance winters" like Michelin Alpins?

I don't understand "performance winters" btw......
 
Sasquach said:
I guess the other question is...what set of winter tires do people use?
do they use actual ice + snow tires (severe winter rated) or do they use the so called "performance winters" like Michelin Alpins?

I don't understand "performance winters" btw......
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There are several variations of winter tires. "Performance winters" is generally just geared towards performance vehicles. Those vehicles typically have tire sizing with smaller sidewalls and in the past, there were no direct fit snow/winter tires for them. Those owners would have to find different wheels to go with the snow/winter tires which then usually have them scrounging to find tires that would clear their brake calipers.

Withing the "Performance Winter" tire realm, there are a wide range of tires and capabilities.
 
That engine is German.

Hehe cracked rods are marine 2 stroke tech, old school but very handy.

Coded bearings? Even my shitty 3 banger Japanesium engine has coded bearings.

Does anyone still use pressed pins in anything that's not an econobucket?
 
it's a sexy looking motor. engine bay looks packed though, not much room in there at all.

curious with the timing chain being on the backside of the block, facing the tranny. i guess since you never change timing chains it doesn't matter, but god help you if one were to snap or something :lol:
 
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Nunz said:
it's a sexy looking motor. engine bay looks packed though, not much room in there at all.

curious with the timing chain being on the backside of the block, facing the tranny. i guess since you never change timing chains it doesn't matter, but god help you if one were to snap or something :lol:
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German overengineering.

Always design things more complicated than it needs to be.
 
Sasquach said:
German overengineering.

Always design things more complicated than it needs to be.
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To be honest if a timing chain snapped while driving the entire block would be ruined anyway. You’d shoot a piston to the moon :lol:
 
It's not the snapping chains you need to worry about... it's the chain stretch, guides wearing, and tensioner failure...

It makes doing the timing chain an out of body experience.

It does help shorten the engine a bit... that's why the Krauts did it.
 
I feel like a lot of hype over the Supra was decimated by the C8 Corvette. Two very different types of cars, but similar price points.
 
Nunz said:
I feel like a lot of hype over the Supra was decimated by the C8 Corvette. Two very different types of cars, but similar price points.
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I don't think so. I don't believe it's a car that Toyota expects to sell a lot of unlike the C8. Also, you will be able to take a Supra off the lot for under $60k. The only way anyone is going to get a new C8 off a lot for under $72k is if they order one themselves with just the bare minimums (which is not what a dealer is going to order). Hell, even with the "base" model, there are enough options that some people's "build" before the prices were available turned out to be over $100k.
 
Nunz said:
Bunch of 2020 Supras near me listed for $50k even.

:drool:
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They aren't moving as fast as they would like. I do blame that on the dealers. When the Launch Editions hit, they were over-charging for them so a lot of LE cars are still sitting on lots. I saw some reports of $15k-30k over MSRP for the LE's. The base editions are now showing up and those LE's will likely be sitting for months. There are so many online reports of how hard it is to buy one of these. That is going to be the death of this car.
 
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