Media Center Edition 2005 and ATI AIW: Works Fine.
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Interesting, I can only find one other person besides you so far. What speed
CPU are you using? Do you have a seperate audio card or is it integrated?
Are you happy with the performance and quality of MCE with the AIW 9600?
I had nothing but problems getting the NSP WDM drivers to work in MCE 2005.
To resolve this I demoted the AIW 9600 Pro to just handle display and I got a
TV tuner with built-in hardware encoding. The MCE system now works great -
perfect sound and no TV stuttering. As for MMC, I removed it totally and
use the MCE options for live TV, recorded TV, music, pictures and videos.
CPU are you using? Do you have a seperate audio card or is it integrated?
Are you happy with the performance and quality of MCE with the AIW 9600?
I had nothing but problems getting the NSP WDM drivers to work in MCE 2005.
To resolve this I demoted the AIW 9600 Pro to just handle display and I got a
TV tuner with built-in hardware encoding. The MCE system now works great -
perfect sound and no TV stuttering. As for MMC, I removed it totally and
use the MCE options for live TV, recorded TV, music, pictures and videos.
Since the AIW line doesn’t have a hardware tuner and currently isn’t GPU assisted in any way that MCE can benefit from,….. the AIW 9600 should be no different in performance than the AIW 9800 or even the AIW X1800 in MCE.
I’ve had an AIW 9800 Pro working in MCE for some time now and it has worked well enough IMO. When I set it up I used the Kram mod pack because there was no official support from ATI back then. This is all before the whole NSP/SP debacle though. I have left it as is because one can easily mess things up by changing and updating drivers.
Anyway, its been working great since day one. There are only a few minor issues but I know how to get around them easily enough.
System specs are:
AthlonXP 2800+@3200+
ASUS A7N8X Deluxe (onboard audio)
512MB Corsair XMS PC3500 RAM
AIW 9800 Pro
I’ve had an AIW 9800 Pro working in MCE for some time now and it has worked well enough IMO. When I set it up I used the Kram mod pack because there was no official support from ATI back then. This is all before the whole NSP/SP debacle though. I have left it as is because one can easily mess things up by changing and updating drivers.
Anyway, its been working great since day one. There are only a few minor issues but I know how to get around them easily enough.
System specs are:
AthlonXP 2800+@3200+
ASUS A7N8X Deluxe (onboard audio)
512MB Corsair XMS PC3500 RAM
AIW 9800 Pro
I was trying to run mine in a SK41G setup with an Athlon 2600+ Barton
CPU, 1G memory and integrated audio and I was couldn't make it
happened. An underpowered CPU might have been the issue but not
quite sure. I was fortunate enough that the Hauppage PVR-150 MCE
card did the trick for $64. I hope I never have to deal with ATI's PITA
NSP WDM drivers again.
CPU, 1G memory and integrated audio and I was couldn't make it
happened. An underpowered CPU might have been the issue but not
quite sure. I was fortunate enough that the Hauppage PVR-150 MCE
card did the trick for $64. I hope I never have to deal with ATI's PITA
NSP WDM drivers again.
$64, that’s a good price for a Hauppage PVR-150MCE. Was that a retail card?
Anyway, IMO its still worth the effort getting the AIW working since you still have it installed. This way you can have a dual tuner setup which is really great.
If all else fails, try the older Kram mod pack. Sometimes you need to clear the registry and reset MCE. You may also want to manually assign the default tuner so that the PVR-150MCE is used for watching and recording before the AIW.
Anyway, IMO its still worth the effort getting the AIW working since you still have it installed. This way you can have a dual tuner setup which is really great.
If all else fails, try the older Kram mod pack. Sometimes you need to clear the registry and reset MCE. You may also want to manually assign the default tuner so that the PVR-150MCE is used for watching and recording before the AIW.
yatalok
New member
gls_1959 said:
I know why the new driver/WDM set did not work with your MCE 2005 setup, you, the old kram or older official ATI encoder will not work with the new WDM driver set, you will have to install any version of ATI MMC from 9.03-9.08, they have the new ATI encoder built into the MMC installation package, even thought you don't use ATI MMC TV or DVD application, you must install it in order to install the new ATI encoder. Now, ATI make the ATI encoder 9.13 as a standalone download and installation for free, no need to pay or hack it.
Ya, good ole www.newegg.com. They had a great price on the Hauppage
PVR-150 MCE a couple weeks ago. The list price was just for the card
by itself though. I didn't want one with a remote control since I got that
when I bought the MCE2005 OS.
Good idea on trying to get the AIW to work as the dual-tuner. I'm going
to take a break for a while from all the debug, uninstall and re-install
work.
PVR-150 MCE a couple weeks ago. The list price was just for the card
by itself though. I didn't want one with a remote control since I got that
when I bought the MCE2005 OS.
Good idea on trying to get the AIW to work as the dual-tuner. I'm going
to take a break for a while from all the debug, uninstall and re-install
work.
BTW, its still listed on newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620
Its actually $62.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620
Its actually $62.99
yatalok
New member
I have the AIW 9200SE installed on on my P4 506 2.66GHz VIA PT880PRO base system, have the old rusty SBLive 4.1 Platinum and the TV wonder PCI in the machine, The MCE 2005 TV performs well with this non HT single core 533FSB CPU, but the default Brightness setting seems to be a bit more higher than other TV application, still the MCE Live TV picture looks too artificial. MMC TV (9.06.1) runs in much lower CPU usage than MCE 2005 TV, and give a better Live TV picture even with TV-on-demand turned on.
yatalok said:
So let me see if I got this right, if I install MMC 9.08, the latest CCC 5.13+ (any with
NSP support) on my MCE 2005 PC, should fix this problem? I don't remember if
I tried that combo yet but it may be worth a try. So what do the Kram drivers offer
you that MMC and CCC WDM drivers dont?
Did anyone ever get a working combo? I have a 9800Pro AIW. Kram's drivers work but give a multiple lines down the display. Cleaned out everything and used 6.1 and it worked, unitl the machine locked up solid. 5.8 works, but MCE crashes to a black screen. If I close it then reopen the TV works again.
Actually if you installed the 6.2 drivers for MCE (make sure they are the MCE version) then you still need to install the TV encoder and DVD decoder. The TV encoder is a download on the MCE page. The DVD decoder is on your original CD and make sure to update it from the setup.exe program
Ok got it to work .. followed the process in this document but it did not work till the point I had to go into the registry and delete the Media Center\Video\Tuners
also I used the cat 5.3 and MMC 9.08 the windows XP version rather than media center versions. I don't want to messup a thing that works ..but I am temped to try deleting the Tuners with Cat 6.2 and MMC 9.13 ..
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:-8T2f8dFMaYJ:www.neff.ca/mce2k5/guide.pdf+powerdvd.sim+DVD+Decoder+2.1.0.1&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5&client=firefox-a
also I used the cat 5.3 and MMC 9.08 the windows XP version rather than media center versions. I don't want to messup a thing that works ..but I am temped to try deleting the Tuners with Cat 6.2 and MMC 9.13 ..
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:-8T2f8dFMaYJ:www.neff.ca/mce2k5/guide.pdf+powerdvd.sim+DVD+Decoder+2.1.0.1&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5&client=firefox-a
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MCE Poor video quality
MCE Poor video quality
Hi all,
Can anyone verify that although you *can* run AIW and MCE, it isnt worth the effort?
I have a fresh install of MCE 2005, Rollup 2, with Catalyst 6.1, MCE Encoder, MMC 9.13, DVD Decoder verified from the install disk, DirectX9.0c, Windows Media Encoder. I am using AIW 9600XT, VGA-YPbPr out (2nd monitor to a genuine HDTV television), HDTV Wonder.
The HDTV is great, no major complaints. The Analog cable TV from the AIW is terrible. I have it set to Best Quality, but it still is lousy - very grainy, blocky and washed-out - like a poor VCD recording magnified.
By killing the ehRecvr service and turning off TVoD (using the LiveMode registry change), the ATI MMC reverts the analog cable TV signal to 480i (instead of the forced, crummy 240i invoked by TV on demand), and is satisfactory.
I have not tried the analog portion of the HDTV Wonder, as I have heard it doesnt work in MCE and is not as good as the Theater200 chip in the AIW when running ATI MMC.
I am tempted to use the Kram drivers to force MCE to use the older ATI SP WDMs (Catalyst 4.10?) but wonder if this is a waste of time. I am also considering dropping the whole MCE thing and just use XP Pro, myHTPC, and ATI MMC 9.06.1 (which works great on my AIW 9000 running on a P-III 766Mhz).
Hardware: AIW 9600XT, HDTV Wonder on a Compaq Presario AMD Sempron 3000+, 768MB DDR, 80+200 GB HDD. DVD+/-RW
Thanks
Ross
MCE Poor video quality
Hi all,
Can anyone verify that although you *can* run AIW and MCE, it isnt worth the effort?
I have a fresh install of MCE 2005, Rollup 2, with Catalyst 6.1, MCE Encoder, MMC 9.13, DVD Decoder verified from the install disk, DirectX9.0c, Windows Media Encoder. I am using AIW 9600XT, VGA-YPbPr out (2nd monitor to a genuine HDTV television), HDTV Wonder.
The HDTV is great, no major complaints. The Analog cable TV from the AIW is terrible. I have it set to Best Quality, but it still is lousy - very grainy, blocky and washed-out - like a poor VCD recording magnified.
By killing the ehRecvr service and turning off TVoD (using the LiveMode registry change), the ATI MMC reverts the analog cable TV signal to 480i (instead of the forced, crummy 240i invoked by TV on demand), and is satisfactory.
I have not tried the analog portion of the HDTV Wonder, as I have heard it doesnt work in MCE and is not as good as the Theater200 chip in the AIW when running ATI MMC.
I am tempted to use the Kram drivers to force MCE to use the older ATI SP WDMs (Catalyst 4.10?) but wonder if this is a waste of time. I am also considering dropping the whole MCE thing and just use XP Pro, myHTPC, and ATI MMC 9.06.1 (which works great on my AIW 9000 running on a P-III 766Mhz).
Hardware: AIW 9600XT, HDTV Wonder on a Compaq Presario AMD Sempron 3000+, 768MB DDR, 80+200 GB HDD. DVD+/-RW
Thanks
Ross
ralph_sinclair
New member
audio static on aiw9600pro/mce
audio static on aiw9600pro/mce
I am using an AIW9600pro on MCE2005+rollup2. Whenever I tune/record a cable channel the video is fine but audio goes from fine to short and long bursts of loud static. The problem is for sure with the recording from the AIW tuner and has nothing to do with my sound card.
I have witnessed this static with all Microsoft Windows Update drivers and the 9.13 encoder, with all latest Catalyst drivers and 9.13 encoder, with 5.10 cats and MMC 9.08, and under MMC 9.13 (instead of MCE). The static happens regardless of AGP aperature size, sideband, AGP mode, spread spectrum, memory timing, AIW is alone on its IRQ or sharing IRQ, or whether or not Hyperthreading is enabled or the CPU is overclocked or running hot or cool. The static will happen on a fresh install of MCE.
Has anyone seen this before?
Is there an easy way I can have MCE record through my soundcard and the AIWs audio line out? Would this be static free?
Is there some funny AGP or PCI setting or mode that I may have missed?
Is it possible that my AIW9600pro is simply worn out or defective? It's still under warranty.
System:
P4-2.4C on Asus P4P800, 1.5gb memory, MCE2005+all updates/rollups, AIW9600pro, HDTV Wonder, using latest Catalyst 6.2, HDTV Wonder 6.1, Encoder 9.13.
audio static on aiw9600pro/mce
I am using an AIW9600pro on MCE2005+rollup2. Whenever I tune/record a cable channel the video is fine but audio goes from fine to short and long bursts of loud static. The problem is for sure with the recording from the AIW tuner and has nothing to do with my sound card.
I have witnessed this static with all Microsoft Windows Update drivers and the 9.13 encoder, with all latest Catalyst drivers and 9.13 encoder, with 5.10 cats and MMC 9.08, and under MMC 9.13 (instead of MCE). The static happens regardless of AGP aperature size, sideband, AGP mode, spread spectrum, memory timing, AIW is alone on its IRQ or sharing IRQ, or whether or not Hyperthreading is enabled or the CPU is overclocked or running hot or cool. The static will happen on a fresh install of MCE.
Has anyone seen this before?
Is there an easy way I can have MCE record through my soundcard and the AIWs audio line out? Would this be static free?
Is there some funny AGP or PCI setting or mode that I may have missed?
Is it possible that my AIW9600pro is simply worn out or defective? It's still under warranty.
System:
P4-2.4C on Asus P4P800, 1.5gb memory, MCE2005+all updates/rollups, AIW9600pro, HDTV Wonder, using latest Catalyst 6.2, HDTV Wonder 6.1, Encoder 9.13.
FM radio tuner on AIW9600XT works with MCE2005
FM radio tuner on AIW9600XT works with MCE2005
Until today, I just assumed that "Radio" option in the MCE2005 main menu was for internet radio streaming.
To my surprise, I discovered that it actually works with the FM tuner on AIW9600XT. I am again assuming it is the FM tuner on the video card. Is MCE2005 actually smart enough to figure out the local FM stations to stream from a server? That would be freaky.
Now I wonder if I can get it to record on schedule.
FM radio tuner on AIW9600XT works with MCE2005
Until today, I just assumed that "Radio" option in the MCE2005 main menu was for internet radio streaming.
To my surprise, I discovered that it actually works with the FM tuner on AIW9600XT. I am again assuming it is the FM tuner on the video card. Is MCE2005 actually smart enough to figure out the local FM stations to stream from a server? That would be freaky.
Now I wonder if I can get it to record on schedule.