The Official Navi21 (RX 6000) rumor thread.

[the_sextein]

No not really. For example, I didn't care about Gsync so I didn't buy it. I have it now because it came with my TV as well as freesync but I don't feel like I got ripped off for buying a TV that has those technologies included. As long as I'm not forced to use one brand only when I buy a monitor I really don't care. I like PhysX and DLSS. I'd rather have them then not have them. If I wasn't interested in using them then I wouldn't use them. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything, at least Nvidia tries to make standout PC features that the PC can utilize. Most of us are happy to pay a little premium for premium features that give our platform more advantages over consoles. They wouldn't have to if game developers took advantage of the PC on their own but Microsoft paid them all to ignore the PC platform so now we get console ports that are years late. Anyway, I'm off to watch some TV. I do agree with you about prices going through the roof without competition. I think AMD will let it go there again during this next 5 year span where Sony and Microsoft will be content with the hardware they have. AMD will have to pay for it's own advancements for the next 5 years and rest assured they will put the minimum into it that they can get away with.

 

[LordHawkwind]

So I finally caught up on the HU boxed review of the 6800XT and I can't see what all negative fuss is all about?

Over the 5700XT, the 6800 XT is a massive improvement. It beats the 3080/3090 in a few of games such as Dirt 5 (OK it's an AMD sponsored title) but what about Ass Creed Valhalla at 1440p? It's toe to toe with the 3090 on Death Strandingand Metro Exodus at 1440p.

It's going toe to toe in Watch Dogs Legion with the 3080 at 1440p, an NV sponsored title but falls behind at 4K with most titles.

AMD appear to be targeting the bigger slice of the pie, the 1080p/1440p segment. Strategically, this is a better option than going for the 4K segment... don't make me link the Steam survey showing what monitors people game on


At 1080 the average performance across the games sees 6800XT at the top. At 1440p it's ahead of the 3080 and at 4K it starts fall behind.


You then factor in the price difference between that 6800XT and the 3090 and it's a no brainer. Over here it's $400 cheaper than the 3080 and $1k less than the 3090.

First gen RT performance is better than Turing but behind 2nd gen Ampere. Most people don't care about RT anyway.


We have yet to see the 6900. AMD has done good to catch up. We could only hope for a toe to toe comparison, that's all that is required for us consumers to benefit.

Hey Megaman look at the message inside the box it says "Welcome to the Red Team" They're obviously targeting Nvidia owners to switch over to 6800XT it ain't gonna happen. Anyone with a 1080ti or more are going to stay with Nvidia. If the 6800XT was £100 cheaper maybe but £50 at enthusiast level you're having a laugh. If a 3080 is only £50 higher I'm in even though I've bought AMD cards for a decade. Instead of increasing market share they're losing it at this price. AMD need a big rethink quickly.

 

[Megaman]

I'm not seeing the problem here. Draw me a picture.

If I wasn't locked in G sync I'd be waiting for a 6800XT

 

[LordHawkwind]

No not really. For example, I didn't care about Gsync so I didn't buy it. I have it now because it came with my TV as well as freesync but I don't feel like I got ripped off for buying a TV that has those technologies included. As long as I'm not forced to use one brand only when I buy a monitor I really don't care. I like PhysX and DLSS. I'd rather have them then not have them. If I wasn't interested in using them then I wouldn't use them. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything, at least Nvidia tries to make standout PC features that the PC can utilize. Most of us are happy to pay a little premium for premium features that give our platform more advantages over consoles. They wouldn't have to if game developers took advantage of the PC on their own but Microsoft paid them all to ignore the PC platform so now we get console ports that are years late. Anyway, I'm off to watch some TV. I do agree with you about prices going through the roof without competition. I think AMD will let it go there again during this next 5 year span where Sony and Microsoft will be content with the hardware they have. AMD will have to pay for it's own advancements for the next 5 years and rest assured they will put the minimum into it that they can get away with.

A little premium like £1,199 for a 2080ti You need to understand that MS & Sony own the gaming market and there are hardly any only PC games released anymore. RT without DLSS on Nvidia is crap Basically a POS without up scaling that's really taking the PC platform forward. Give me a break.

 

[Nunz]

Huh? Let's not exaggerate. RT with DLSS off is do-able. Metro Exodus looks great with RT on and runs great even with DLSS off. Spreading that bullshit.. no bueno. SOTTR as well. Death Stranding I don't think "needs" DLSS unless at 4K. Even at my Ultrawide res that is close to 4K, it's not required for a stable framerate.

Watch Dogs: Legion runs like **** even with DLSS on. Runs like **** on an AMD card too.. so what's the complaint then?

Let's stick to facts without the dramatics.

 

[Exposed]

I've been watching a russian reviewer show some problems. Not sure if its game specific right now, or a bigger thing with 6000 RT.

https://youtu.be/fTe0_bdDnCE?t=821

The reflections with RT on, on 6000 cards seem to be missing stuff, that nivida cards have. Furthermore, some surfaces don't have reflection that appear on nvidia RT. All settings here are run the same with newest drivers.

Tom's Hardware found the same thing. Hopefully it's just a bug and not deliberate to prop up their RT performance at the expense of RT.



In the coming days we'll get more in depth analysis into this. Digital Foundry should have something well detailed coming.

 

[LordHawkwind]

I'm not seeing the problem here. Draw me a picture.

If I wasn't locked in G sync I'd be waiting for a 6800XT

OK if I owned a 1080ti with Nvidia drivers why would I buy a 6800XT over 3080 no chance. Too much hassle. Same with Turing it's not worth it. That's life.

 

[the_sextein]

A little premium like £1,199 for a 2080ti You need to understand that MS & Sony own the gaming market and there are hardly any only PC games released anymore. RT without DLSS on Nvidia is crap Basically a POS without up scaling that's really taking the PC platform forward. Give me a break.

I agree, the 2080TI prices were bad and I complained alot about them. However, it's the lack of competition that allows that to happen. You think I like seeing the 9900K at the top of the performance charts that Sirbarron posted a few pages back? It's been 2 years, it should be near obsolete by now. Microsoft did damage the PC market. I complained then, and I complain now because the PC has to rely on Nvidia for standout features.

I use hairworks in metro exodus as well as advanced PhysX. I would rather use them than not have the option. I can use DLSS in Metro but I choose not to because it looks bad. I wish Nvidia did a better job on the original implementation of DLSS but at least they are doing better now. It's better than not having the option at all. RTX works fine in metro exodus without DLSS on my setup. I'm getting 50 to 80FPS at 4k with everything cranked. That wasn't the case when it came out though, that's why I didn't buy it until it went on sale and I didn't play it until I got a 3000 series card. That's just the way I do things though. Anyway, it's been nice chatting with ya but I'm off.

 

[LordHawkwind]

Huh? Let's not exaggerate. RT with DLSS off is do-able. Metro Exodus looks great with RT on and runs great even with DLSS off. Spreading that bullshit.. no bueno. SOTTR as well. Death Stranding I don't think "needs" DLSS unless at 4K. Even at my Ultrawide res that is close to 4K, it's not required for a stable framerate.

Watch Dogs: Legion runs like **** even with DLSS on. Runs like **** on an AMD card too.. so what's the complaint then?

Let's stick to facts without the dramatics.

OK so you're saying that RT with NV and AMD are pretty similar it's just DLSS make a difference because obviously AMD haven't got anything that yet?

 

[muzz]

Pretty good performance, beats the 3080 but has it's ass handed on others.....
Talking Rasterization.
AMD SOFTWARE needs to close those MASSIVE GAPS.

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[muzz]

Pretty good performance, beats the 3080 but has it's ass handed on others.....
Talking Rasterization.
AMD SOFTWARE needs to close those MASSIVE GAPS.

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Which is typical... hardware has always been decent, they FAIL TO MAKE IT RIGHT.

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[bill dennison]

Tom's Hardware found the same thing. Hopefully it's just a bug and not deliberate to prop up their RT performance at the expense of RT.



In the coming days we'll get more in depth analysis into this. Digital Foundry should have something well detailed coming.

after that pre release 3080 review where the 3080 was 2x faster than a 2080 ti

i wouldn't trust Digital Foundry to wipe their own ass


and it doesn't look like they got a AMD card


wccftech has more credibility

 

[Nunz]

Digital Foundry are paid shills; same garbage as Linus. Paid to push that "omg 8K gaming!!!" bullshit during 3000 series release ..

 

[muzz]

I'm just a regular guy.
6800xt is a decent peforrner......?
Let's see the ugly side

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[Crawdaddy79]

Had a look at the ray tracing comparison shots on Tom's Hardware... Not good for AMD. In some areas it looks like extra reflections are occurring on NV, but some are definitely not occurring that should be on AMD. In both cases, the NV screens simply look better overall.

 

[Exposed]

Regardless of what you think of them they always do great IQ analysis. I suspect they will not be the only ones investigating why AMD's ray tracing isn't rendering everything, unless we want to pretend it's not happening?

 

[muzz]

I'm fine with Rasterization performance, of course, we're aware of RT PERFORMANCE.
WHICH still isn't acceptable on EITHER PLATFORM.
SURPRISED? No, get real, that's really Difficult.

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[SIrPauly]

after that pre release 3080 review where the 3080 was 2x faster than a 2080 ti

i wouldn't trust Digital Foundry to wipe their own ass


and it doesn't look like they got a AMD card


wccftech has more credibility

Their sister site, Euro gamer offered 6800 reviews. Digital Foundry is a great site for feature breakdowns.

 

[Nagorak]

Totally agree with you there, whatever comes after Ampere better double the performance at this rate to keep up with AMD.

I think Nvidia needs to get their efficiency back under control more than anything else. I'd actually argue the 6800 XT is the better card for raster, because it basically matches the 3080 but at 100w lower power draw. The only thing that gives the nod to the 3080 is RTX/DLSS.

 

[Megaman]

I think Nvidia needs to get their efficiency back under control more than anything else. I'd actually argue the 6800 XT is the better card for raster, because it basically matches the 3080 but at 100w lower power draw. The only thing that gives the nod to the 3080 is RTX/DLSS.

100w less? Isn't it a lot less than that?