I have been looking around these forums lately and just noticed that those running windows 98 are having lots of problems with these drivers. While those on 2000 and XP seem to be having no problems. So my question is why are you people running windows 98 on computers that could easily handle 2000 and XP. Do you care that much for a few more 3dmarks, Do you dislike stability and prefer problems and BSODs. C'mon explain to me why you just dont upgrade your OS to fix your problems.
Win 98 + catalyst causes problems, so why use 98?
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Im running win ME coz thats the os that came with my computer?
NO im not forking out some £200+ on Win XP, unless u want to buy it for me ?
Pre Catalyst i had ALMOST no problems with the offical drivers
P.S i dont give a poohy about 3dmarks
You got a CLEAR solution bearing in mind what i have said ?
ciao
Lusty
NO im not forking out some £200+ on Win XP, unless u want to buy it for me ?
Pre Catalyst i had ALMOST no problems with the offical drivers
P.S i dont give a poohy about 3dmarks
You got a CLEAR solution bearing in mind what i have said ?
ciao
Lusty
I know that the drivers can be used with 98 it just seems like this combination causes problems for a lot of people. I just posted this thread asking people why would they run such an old unstable truly crappy OS that causes problems with everything not just these drivers. If they upgraded their OS then they would be less likely to experiance such problems. A lot of people are saying these drivers are crap because of problems they are having with win 98. Ati probably didnt feel the need to get the drivers to work properly with the old OS, so in my opinion I think that ati shouldnt have bothered to release drivers for 98 and those running the OS should upgrade to something newer and better.
Purchasing a new OS every time Microsoft wants to update isn't always a feasible solution to everyone's problems. A new OS requires a lot of money - as much as my new Radeon8500. I could have kept an old card and upgraded my OS, *OR* I could purchase a fast new card that was advertised to support my operating system. I think it is evident which solution was optimal given the information at the time.
And as for your comment about systems that clearly run Win2000 or XP...We all know that just because microsoft says a Pentium 133 will run some operating system doesn't mean that any sane person would choose to run it on that system. It takes a lot more to run Win2k or XP smoothly than it takes to run Win98. I'm pretty certain my system will be brought to its knees as soon as I install Win2000.
And as for your comment about systems that clearly run Win2000 or XP...We all know that just because microsoft says a Pentium 133 will run some operating system doesn't mean that any sane person would choose to run it on that system. It takes a lot more to run Win2k or XP smoothly than it takes to run Win98. I'm pretty certain my system will be brought to its knees as soon as I install Win2000.
. Anyway I dont think cost is an issue because there are these things called CD burners and there is this program called Serials 2000.Because XP sucks?
I have a dual boot of XP and 98SE on separate hard drives and I use XP only about 5% of the time yet it manages to feel far more sluggish than 98 does.
It screws with the sensitivity of my logitech mouse and randomly changes the left-right balance and volume of my sound (SBLive 5.1).
Then theres the refresh rate crap and....
I have a dual boot of XP and 98SE on separate hard drives and I use XP only about 5% of the time yet it manages to feel far more sluggish than 98 does.
It screws with the sensitivity of my logitech mouse and randomly changes the left-right balance and volume of my sound (SBLive 5.1).
Then theres the refresh rate crap and....
dallasstar
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Bambers said:Because XP sucks?
I have a dual boot of XP and 98SE on separate hard drives and I use XP only about 5% of the time yet it manages to feel far more sluggish than 98 does.
It screws with the sensitivity of my logitech mouse and randomly changes the left-right balance and volume of my sound (SBLive 5.1).
Then theres the refresh rate crap and....
I had that mouse prob, but I fixed it. First, go to Device Manager and go to your mouse driver settings. In the advanced tab, change the refresh to 200. Also change the input buffer to 200. Then, go to Control Panel and mouse properties and then go to the Pointer Options and disable "Enhance Pointer Precision". Set the speed to two spots less than "fast".
The 'powered by' run great with win98SE on my comp.
The reason why I'm running adual boot win98SE/XP prof is that I never could get my favourite game, GPL, to work fine with XP. Somehow the combination XP/mobility Radeon 7500/older game GPL didn't work out.
BTW, I still like 98 and it is running stable and reliable since ever.
GGP
The reason why I'm running adual boot win98SE/XP prof is that I never could get my favourite game, GPL, to work fine with XP. Somehow the combination XP/mobility Radeon 7500/older game GPL didn't work out.
BTW, I still like 98 and it is running stable and reliable since ever.
GGP
I'm using retail radeon 8500, Win 98SE, and the new drivers...
Haven't had any problems so far. Seem pretty much the same as
the drivers before them (maybe VERY SMALL FPS increase).
I also haven't noticed any stability problems or such with Win 98SE.
My system runs good, seems VERY stable, and I see NO REASON to change
(upgrade?) to another (likely less stable) operating system.
Although this will likely change as Win 98SE receives less and less
support. And fromt he few knowledgeable people I have asked, they
said if I'm not having any problems then I should just wait for the
for the next MS installment (XP second edition?).
Haven't had any problems so far. Seem pretty much the same as
the drivers before them (maybe VERY SMALL FPS increase).
I also haven't noticed any stability problems or such with Win 98SE.
My system runs good, seems VERY stable, and I see NO REASON to change
(upgrade?) to another (likely less stable) operating system.
Although this will likely change as Win 98SE receives less and less
support. And fromt he few knowledgeable people I have asked, they
said if I'm not having any problems then I should just wait for the
for the next MS installment (XP second edition?).
dallasstar said:
Mines a bit worse. In 98 on the logitech drivers I use 200Hz refresh, max speed and max acceleration. In XP theres the default acceleration too (enhance pointer presion) and even if thats off when I install the logitech drivers it still interferes and so I can't hit a thing in XP.
I have four computers running 98SE and one with 2000. All work fine with no problems. My gaming machine has 98SE and an 8500. Currently I am running the latest Omega drivers and have not tried the catalyst.
As far as changing to a newer os, I really have no need...yet. My plans are to build a new gaming rig after the new AMD hammers are out and probably include an R300. At that time I will check out a newer OS.
Good luck to all!
As far as changing to a newer os, I really have no need...yet. My plans are to build a new gaming rig after the new AMD hammers are out and probably include an R300. At that time I will check out a newer OS.
Good luck to all!
Red Harvest
New member
Clear #5 said:
Why would you use an obsolete OS like 2000? Funny that you would harp on 98, only to comment later that you are running 2000.
Wasn't 2000 one of the main sources of the refresh rate issues?
I've got plenty of stuff that 2000 and XP don't handle well (hardware and software.) I won't be "upgrading" until there is some compelling reason to spend an extra $150 to make perfectly good software and hardware obsolete... The only reason I've come up with to run 2000 or XP is that they do not require rebooting as frequently.
Dyre Straits
New member
No problems here
No problems here
I need to change my sig, but I'm running the 'built by ATi' new Catalyst drivers and all the other updates.
I've really enjoyed Windows98SE. No reason for me to upgrade at this time.
Dyre Straits
No problems here
I need to change my sig, but I'm running the 'built by ATi' new Catalyst drivers and all the other updates.
I've really enjoyed Windows98SE. No reason for me to upgrade at this time.
Dyre Straits
FirebirdTN
New member
You've got to be kidding, right?
You've got to be kidding, right?
I am happy you love XP, and I have to admit, I have zero experience with it, but you got to be kidding, right?
1) Although 98SE is far from perfect (NO OS is), I go by the philosophy "If it aint broke, don't fix it" My 98 box does what I need and want it to do, so why bother?
2) I have some older hardware that does not have any offical drivers available in XP...
3) Maybe its just me, but I have tried a few OS's in my current system, and it seems like the newer the OS, the worse performance I get in games. Seems like the newer the OS is, the more demand for CPU time there is, and the less frames I get in some of the high end games I play. If I really wasn't so used to 98SE, I would probably still be running Windows 95C...95 would probably give me even higher framerates (A complete install of 95C is less than 100 megs)
4) This is a REALLY big one: I have *heard* (please confirm/deny) that there is copy protection built into XP (I don't mind copy protection per se', its the way its implemented) that if you format your hard drive and reinstall your OS (like I typically do every 6 months or so), then you have to call M$ and pay more $$$ to them to give you the "unlock" code to get your OS functioning again. I have also *heard* same goes for upgrades; they can cause your OS to stop working. This really pisses me off...Yes, I know there are ways around this, but I prefer to have LEGITMATE operating systems on my pc.
5) Was a new OS REALLY warranted? Name something that I HAVE to have XP for? So far, for everything I do, I can accomplish in 98SE. Or if its file/system security I can just use NT4 or NT5. I just don't think that a new operating system was THAT needed. I think it was just another way for M$ to increase their net worth; and thanks to them, eventually, I will have no choice but to upgrade...I generally like their products, but DO NOT like they way they force upgrades on people...
I am sorry to those of you that have found Windows9X to be unstable and a junky OS, but I truely belive that alot of problems are mistakenly blamed on Windows, when the root of the problem lies elsewhere (drives/bad hardware, etc). I have LOTS of windows98 experience, and I have seen computers that range from rock solid and stable that go months without ever being rebooted, to computers that crash daily. In my little personal experience, it seemed to me the stable PCs all had name brand hardware (with good drivers), and the ones that crashed all the time are the ones with hardware vendors that their websites are impossible to find, and then only come up in Chinese, and only update their drives once a year, if that, OR faulty hardware, that is not easily found...Just an observation here...
I could go on, but why bother...Maybe one day I will go XP, but for now, 98SE does everything I need it to do...OH, and its bought and paid for...
-Alan
P.S. I currently dual boot between 98SE and 2K. I find myself using 2K most of the time, but still will only game in 98SE.
You've got to be kidding, right?
I am happy you love XP, and I have to admit, I have zero experience with it, but you got to be kidding, right?
1) Although 98SE is far from perfect (NO OS is), I go by the philosophy "If it aint broke, don't fix it" My 98 box does what I need and want it to do, so why bother?
2) I have some older hardware that does not have any offical drivers available in XP...
3) Maybe its just me, but I have tried a few OS's in my current system, and it seems like the newer the OS, the worse performance I get in games. Seems like the newer the OS is, the more demand for CPU time there is, and the less frames I get in some of the high end games I play. If I really wasn't so used to 98SE, I would probably still be running Windows 95C...95 would probably give me even higher framerates (A complete install of 95C is less than 100 megs)
4) This is a REALLY big one: I have *heard* (please confirm/deny) that there is copy protection built into XP (I don't mind copy protection per se', its the way its implemented) that if you format your hard drive and reinstall your OS (like I typically do every 6 months or so), then you have to call M$ and pay more $$$ to them to give you the "unlock" code to get your OS functioning again. I have also *heard* same goes for upgrades; they can cause your OS to stop working. This really pisses me off...Yes, I know there are ways around this, but I prefer to have LEGITMATE operating systems on my pc.
5) Was a new OS REALLY warranted? Name something that I HAVE to have XP for? So far, for everything I do, I can accomplish in 98SE. Or if its file/system security I can just use NT4 or NT5. I just don't think that a new operating system was THAT needed. I think it was just another way for M$ to increase their net worth; and thanks to them, eventually, I will have no choice but to upgrade...I generally like their products, but DO NOT like they way they force upgrades on people...
I am sorry to those of you that have found Windows9X to be unstable and a junky OS, but I truely belive that alot of problems are mistakenly blamed on Windows, when the root of the problem lies elsewhere (drives/bad hardware, etc). I have LOTS of windows98 experience, and I have seen computers that range from rock solid and stable that go months without ever being rebooted, to computers that crash daily. In my little personal experience, it seemed to me the stable PCs all had name brand hardware (with good drivers), and the ones that crashed all the time are the ones with hardware vendors that their websites are impossible to find, and then only come up in Chinese, and only update their drives once a year, if that, OR faulty hardware, that is not easily found...Just an observation here...
I could go on, but why bother...Maybe one day I will go XP, but for now, 98SE does everything I need it to do...OH, and its bought and paid for...
-Alan
P.S. I currently dual boot between 98SE and 2K. I find myself using 2K most of the time, but still will only game in 98SE.
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