That gaming monitor/screen question
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I don’t use it as a monitor but I watch a ton of news on CNBC which has perma bars at the bottom. Almost 4-5 hours daily. Fingers crossed but both my TVs are doing OK. Both probably have over 5000 hours on them or some such but with mixed use. Games, TV, movies, YouTube, Netflix and everything in between.
Going to check for burn in on both TVs and see what’s up. Been a full year + maybe 2 months on both of them since I got them back to back.
Going to check for burn in on both TVs and see what’s up. Been a full year + maybe 2 months on both of them since I got them back to back.
Meteor_of_War
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Technically its not "burn in" if it can be fixed. More like an OLED version of image retention.
Still, issues like this is why I would never use a display susceptible to this sort of thing as a PC monitor. When I first got a plasma TV years ago and used it for gaming, the image retention, and fear of eventual burn in did concern me enough that I vowed to never again use a display with that risk for gaming or that was otherwise prone to having static images. I would just prefer to not have to ever worry about it, even if the risk is low.
Still, issues like this is why I would never use a display susceptible to this sort of thing as a PC monitor. When I first got a plasma TV years ago and used it for gaming, the image retention, and fear of eventual burn in did concern me enough that I vowed to never again use a display with that risk for gaming or that was otherwise prone to having static images. I would just prefer to not have to ever worry about it, even if the risk is low.
It's not a thing anymore. You're talking about years and years of abuse and having no burn-in. The software (for LG at least) is extremely good at balancing the screen to avoid retention, and the pixel refresher is excellent. I run it maybe once a week or so because I'm anal.. doubt I even need to do that.
The days of OLED burn-in are gone; it's just bullshit from people who don't know better.
Am I surprised it's another Linus video for hits? Nope. I'm on my phone so can't really see his claim of burn-in, but meh. The other guy he references in the video of "only a year out of 8-9hr usage per day".. I think that's a garbage claim especially when there has been far harder testing done that resulted in no burn-in.
The days of OLED burn-in are gone; it's just bullshit from people who don't know better.
Am I surprised it's another Linus video for hits? Nope. I'm on my phone so can't really see his claim of burn-in, but meh. The other guy he references in the video of "only a year out of 8-9hr usage per day".. I think that's a garbage claim especially when there has been far harder testing done that resulted in no burn-in.
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Meteor_of_War
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kboye
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Subpixel burn out /brightness deltas are easier to spot in motion, such as moving windows, in games etc. OLEDs will always have this, it's in the name (organic). It literally ages unevenly with use by design from the first second. I mean, we know this. It needs clever software/firmware to compensate.
I'm fine with it. I tend to turn contrast and brightness way down.
Overprovisioning by default helps, same as plasmas, still say a very optimistic 30.000 hour subpixel lifecycle from LG... realistically divide by half. Some subpixels will probably die off before their time. Some will hold on alot longer due to brightness, even room temperature. That's fine and all and not the issue, it's the subpixel brightness differences we're seing. In an ideal world they'd be able to compensate perfectly for each subpixel using curves, obviously as anyone who's seen the effects slowly come and sometimes fade away it's not that easy to compensate for.
3 years ago I pulled the power plug on the B7 for about 4 weeks. When I returned and plugged it in it showed just how bad the image was as it had forgotten/reset itself. Never seen anything that bad. After the first cleanup ran it gradually resumed back to a cleaner image, but it was interesting to see just how much work the software needs to keep the panel relatively uniform.
Got two CX now, great panels, same issue. To completely eliminate banding or the dreaded "low gamma flickering" black frame insertion on low works wonders!
Again...I know this stuff is "kinda obvious".
I'm fine with it. I tend to turn contrast and brightness way down.
Overprovisioning by default helps, same as plasmas, still say a very optimistic 30.000 hour subpixel lifecycle from LG... realistically divide by half. Some subpixels will probably die off before their time. Some will hold on alot longer due to brightness, even room temperature. That's fine and all and not the issue, it's the subpixel brightness differences we're seing. In an ideal world they'd be able to compensate perfectly for each subpixel using curves, obviously as anyone who's seen the effects slowly come and sometimes fade away it's not that easy to compensate for.
3 years ago I pulled the power plug on the B7 for about 4 weeks. When I returned and plugged it in it showed just how bad the image was as it had forgotten/reset itself. Never seen anything that bad. After the first cleanup ran it gradually resumed back to a cleaner image, but it was interesting to see just how much work the software needs to keep the panel relatively uniform.
Got two CX now, great panels, same issue. To completely eliminate banding or the dreaded "low gamma flickering" black frame insertion on low works wonders!
Again...I know this stuff is "kinda obvious".
*screen grab*
It's there. But he's also mostly using this screen for work with the windows in a 4x4 grid, rarely to game and with brightness @ 80%. Which is not what most of us would likely do and therefore way less likely to get what he and others have. PLus he was able to fix it using the pixel refresher to even the screen back out. Not a perfect solution, but it works and is good enough
I run my screen at 80 bright also and 100 when in HDR which is like half of my viewing these days.
I know this panel won’t last long but it is still a better story than the Samsungs I use(d).
Will buy more OLED when these die out. So far 1 year complete. I already had a 3 year life in mind so if that happens, yay.
I know this panel won’t last long but it is still a better story than the Samsungs I use(d).
Will buy more OLED when these die out. So far 1 year complete. I already had a 3 year life in mind so if that happens, yay.
OverclockN'
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Mine has no sign of issues so far. Working great!
Well it is that time of the year now. My Samsung G7 240 Hz is about a year old and 1440P. I know that a 3090 is not exactly a 4K 144 card but I would like to pick up a 4K monitor with 144 Hz now that they are out.
What do you guys recommend is a good one. I am not going for an ASUS PG32 whatever $3000 edition. Need something reasonably priced. Has to be 32 inches, 4K and 144Hz. My preference is for deep blacks and zero ghosting using standard modes. HDR 600 or above is nice to have.
I have no clue what new models are out so any help will be appreciated. Flat or curved is fine. Non UW of course (since it is 4K resolution).
What up?
What do you guys recommend is a good one. I am not going for an ASUS PG32 whatever $3000 edition. Need something reasonably priced. Has to be 32 inches, 4K and 144Hz. My preference is for deep blacks and zero ghosting using standard modes. HDR 600 or above is nice to have.
I have no clue what new models are out so any help will be appreciated. Flat or curved is fine. Non UW of course (since it is 4K resolution).
What up?
demo
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There aren't really any great options yet TBH. Even the over priced ASUS isn't that impressive (response times, latencies).
There's the two Gigabyte models which are OK for the money. FI32U and the more sensibly priced M32U.
And the Acer 32" XV322QK which seems pretty similar (probably the same panel as used in Gigabytes)
At the end of the day they're just like 1440p IPS monitors of yester year, just with 4k. Nothing about them stands out enough for me to buy one.
I see. I can easily wait. There is no urgency but I got the G7 as only a stop gap and that time has passed so was wondering if there are options already since I saw a couple of 144 Hz 4K reviews but don’t know which ones. Only one I remembered was a $3000 ASUS which is a nope in my book.