Pentium IV = Joke
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RadeonMAXX
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I agree...P-4 blows! AMD rules. The only thing the P-4 whipped the Athlon on was the Quake3 test..whoopy do.
Hey Makaveli
-Why U Turning On Me- is my favorite unreleased makaveli song. Pac laid the smackdown on Wendy Williams She got put in her place!
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-Why U Turning On Me- is my favorite unreleased makaveli song. Pac laid the smackdown on Wendy Williams She got put in her place![HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\ATI Technologies\Driver\0000\atidxhal]
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DSV-UltraGL
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Y DON`T U ALL SHUT UP
SHHEEHS AMD FREKS
ITs SHET TO SAY THE AMD IS BETTER THAN THE P4
JUST FOR 2 THING:
1-P4 IS A WAY FASTER THAN THE CRAPY T-BIRD 1.2GHz
2-ITs NEW RIGHT? ITs NOT OPTIMIZED FOR THE RELESED SOFTWARE (IF U KNO WHAT I MEAN).
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RADEON RULCKS
RADEON 2 FOR U
SHHEEHS AMD FREKS
ITs SHET TO SAY THE AMD IS BETTER THAN THE P4
JUST FOR 2 THING:
1-P4 IS A WAY FASTER THAN THE CRAPY T-BIRD 1.2GHz
2-ITs NEW RIGHT? ITs NOT OPTIMIZED FOR THE RELESED SOFTWARE (IF U KNO WHAT I MEAN).
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RADEON RULCKS
RADEON 2 FOR U
Who the hell releases a processor for the future in the future there will be a future processor thats better. WTF is up with Intel, they will start takinging a big downfall soon if they can't get they're act together, like yesterday. They are moving on momentum only now and after a year that momentum is dying out
Another thing DiabloSV STOP SHOUTINg, it is very annoying
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I don't suffer from INSANITY, I enjoy every MINUTE of it!!!!!!!!!!
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Another thing DiabloSV STOP SHOUTINg, it is very annoying
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I don't suffer from INSANITY, I enjoy every MINUTE of it!!!!!!!!!!
T-Bird 900@1 Gig
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"For death awaits you all in the form of big teeth like this!"
almost forgot
AMD is the King
predicted it would take over back in the K6 days and flash to the present and whose the king baby, AMD is, OOOOOOOH YEEEEEEEEAH!
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I don't suffer from INSANITY, I enjoy every MINUTE of it!!!!!!!!!!
T-Bird 900@1 Gig
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256 PC-100
Radeon 64mb VIVO (7020's and DX8)
"For death awaits you all in the form of big teeth like this!"
AMD is the King
predicted it would take over back in the K6 days and flash to the present and whose the king baby, AMD is, OOOOOOOH YEEEEEEEEAH!
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I don't suffer from INSANITY, I enjoy every MINUTE of it!!!!!!!!!!
T-Bird 900@1 Gig
A7V
256 PC-100
Radeon 64mb VIVO (7020's and DX8)
"For death awaits you all in the form of big teeth like this!"
RadeonMAXX
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AMD!!!!! Intel who? I have a feeling, AMD will take the lead over intel sooner or later. It will happen
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Meat_PoPsicle
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Look guys, take it easy on Intel. I agree, the p4 looks like a pile of ****, but that's not the idea. They weren't looking for a chip that gives high returns per clock, they were looking for the clock. The p4 will ramp easily past 2gig (according to Intel, but I do believe them on this one) and keep in mind that it was slated for a much earlier release (comparatively). Anyhow, I own a p3-500e myself, and it is a respectable processor, it holds its own, but my brothers duron at it's shipped 600mhz for cheaper (understatement) is faster than mine, and running at 750 as it is cooks my system. I'd be proud to own an amd again (I have a pair of k5 systems, a k5-75 and k5-100 kicking around) and actually plan to own one soon, but don't be bashing intel for the sake of it, just as I hated it when everyone bashed me because I was an AMD fan back in the day, I hate to see Intel fans being bashed now.
The problem with AMD is the memory bandwidth. The current crop of VIA and AMD750 chipsets just does not give enough memory/bus throughput. This is especially true for workstation class PCs and Industrial PCs with Dual CPU. I remember some site did a bench on a Dual TBird on a VIA platform and it tanked in many of the crucial benchmark, including realworld tests.
Frankly speaking, I'm waiting for the 760MP to come out before moving from my trusty Dual BX. There is NO denying that the TBird smoke the CuMine in every way, but if VIA or AMD can't roll out a good chipset, they can have a TBird 2GHz and it'll still run like a granny!
So far, benchmarks for the ALi and 760 DDR boards are pretty impressive, I'm really hoping that the 760MP will live up to AMD's promise for this board to be capable of handling Entry-level server/Hi-end Workstation traffic.
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Frankly speaking, I'm waiting for the 760MP to come out before moving from my trusty Dual BX. There is NO denying that the TBird smoke the CuMine in every way, but if VIA or AMD can't roll out a good chipset, they can have a TBird 2GHz and it'll still run like a granny!
So far, benchmarks for the ALi and 760 DDR boards are pretty impressive, I'm really hoping that the 760MP will live up to AMD's promise for this board to be capable of handling Entry-level server/Hi-end Workstation traffic.
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Wait a minute! Since when could you run dual Thunderbirds? The only SMP motherboards that I've seen that use the Athlon's EV6 bus, were for the Alpha CPUs. Even those won't run a Slot A Athlon without some mods. I may be wrong though, and if I am, I would sure like to see a site with some SMP Athlon benchmarks.
LOL.
Everyone arguing over the P4 or Athlon being the best because they say so.
Isn't that what ATI did with the Radeon Neotic?
They implemented those "useless" DX8 features. Put a whole more load of crap on the Radeon we can't even use till now/later.
...exactly.
Companies have to plan for the future.
Your basically saying that future processors (which will not be designed for the future), will be better because they are better.
How will these future processors which are not designed for the future, be any better then what we have now?
HA!
Everyone arguing over the P4 or Athlon being the best because they say so.
Isn't that what ATI did with the Radeon Neotic?
They implemented those "useless" DX8 features. Put a whole more load of crap on the Radeon we can't even use till now/later.
...exactly.
Companies have to plan for the future.
Your basically saying that future processors (which will not be designed for the future), will be better because they are better.
How will these future processors which are not designed for the future, be any better then what we have now?
HA!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by PSXPaul:
Wait a minute! Since when could you run dual Thunderbirds? The only SMP motherboards that I've seen that use the Athlon's EV6 bus, were for the Alpha CPUs. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
These boards are from VIA, not AMD. There are no Dual Athlon chipset from AMD yet. And I'm still waiting for the 760MP.
As for dual Alphas, I dun many of us have the $$$ to even buy the mobo. 8p
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Wait a minute! Since when could you run dual Thunderbirds? The only SMP motherboards that I've seen that use the Athlon's EV6 bus, were for the Alpha CPUs. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
These boards are from VIA, not AMD. There are no Dual Athlon chipset from AMD yet. And I'm still waiting for the 760MP.
As for dual Alphas, I dun many of us have the $$$ to even buy the mobo. 8p
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GT2k:
When you plan something for the future, at least have it perform better then existing processors now to and future technologies</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I disagree. Sometimes, you have to trade the short-term benefits to the long term advantage. Just look at the Pentium Pro. It run 16-bit Windows 3.1 code like sh*t, but it spawn a slew of successors to make Intel's most successful line of CPU which took AMD more than 3 years to beat. U do know that the Cel/Cel II/PII/PIII/CuMines are all essentially the same architecture, dun u?
It is no surprise to me that Intel's brand new P4 architecture is slower than a similarly-clocked PIII in Integer ops. The P4 successor is planned to be released by next year Q3 with 2Ghz and .13 micron. The architecture will prove itself once the clockspeed goes up because internally, it's quad-pumped. Just look at the Radeon. When u overclock the memory, the fps goes up rapidly.
Moreover, who needs to worry abt opening a Windows or document in Win9x anymore. The future is 3D/multi-media. The P4 has proven that it can handle MPEG-4 and Q3A nicely, so it proofs that it has plenty of potential given the right compiler. Mark my word, SSE2 will kick ass!
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[This message has been edited by E_T (edited 12-10-2000).]
When you plan something for the future, at least have it perform better then existing processors now to and future technologies</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I disagree. Sometimes, you have to trade the short-term benefits to the long term advantage. Just look at the Pentium Pro. It run 16-bit Windows 3.1 code like sh*t, but it spawn a slew of successors to make Intel's most successful line of CPU which took AMD more than 3 years to beat. U do know that the Cel/Cel II/PII/PIII/CuMines are all essentially the same architecture, dun u?
It is no surprise to me that Intel's brand new P4 architecture is slower than a similarly-clocked PIII in Integer ops. The P4 successor is planned to be released by next year Q3 with 2Ghz and .13 micron. The architecture will prove itself once the clockspeed goes up because internally, it's quad-pumped. Just look at the Radeon. When u overclock the memory, the fps goes up rapidly.
Moreover, who needs to worry abt opening a Windows or document in Win9x anymore. The future is 3D/multi-media. The P4 has proven that it can handle MPEG-4 and Q3A nicely, so it proofs that it has plenty of potential given the right compiler. Mark my word, SSE2 will kick ass!
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[This message has been edited by E_T (edited 12-10-2000).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by E_T:
These boards are from VIA, not AMD. There are no Dual Athlon chipset from AMD yet. And I'm still waiting for the 760MP.
As for dual Alphas, I dun many of us have the $$$ to even buy the mobo. 8p
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Since when did the KT133/ KX133 chipsets support SMP? I didn't see anything about it on Via's website, nor have I heard of any reviews of an SMP motherboard for Athlons. The only SMP chipsets I know of that Via produces is the 133a, but I could be wrong. Do you have any links?
These boards are from VIA, not AMD. There are no Dual Athlon chipset from AMD yet. And I'm still waiting for the 760MP.
As for dual Alphas, I dun many of us have the $$$ to even buy the mobo. 8p
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Since when did the KT133/ KX133 chipsets support SMP? I didn't see anything about it on Via's website, nor have I heard of any reviews of an SMP motherboard for Athlons. The only SMP chipsets I know of that Via produces is the 133a, but I could be wrong. Do you have any links?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GT2k:
But when the P Pro came out most people were uusing Win95 which was 32bit already, Windows 3.1 was history then.
That's not exactly true. There was still a huge proportion of pple around the world still stuck with Win3.1 coz their apps wouldn't run in Win95. Besides, there is also a huge amount of 16-bit code in Win95 to (try to) maintain 16-bit app compatibility.
The Athlon 1.2ghz @ 11hours MPeg4 encoding is my kind of CPU
coughdivxcough</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
11hours? Are u using Hi-q Bicubic filtering??? My dual Cel450 can do a 122min in 9 hours using Normal Bicubic. Of course, Hi-q will take MUCH longer! But since I always encode at 640x??? I'm fine with Bilinear and Bicubic. I normally use 700bps for single CD and 1500bps for 2 CD.
Anyway, the encoder itself is single thread so my other CPU is still running RC5.
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But when the P Pro came out most people were uusing Win95 which was 32bit already, Windows 3.1 was history then.
That's not exactly true. There was still a huge proportion of pple around the world still stuck with Win3.1 coz their apps wouldn't run in Win95. Besides, there is also a huge amount of 16-bit code in Win95 to (try to) maintain 16-bit app compatibility.
The Athlon 1.2ghz @ 11hours MPeg4 encoding is my kind of CPU
coughdivxcough</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>11hours? Are u using Hi-q Bicubic filtering??? My dual Cel450 can do a 122min in 9 hours using Normal Bicubic. Of course, Hi-q will take MUCH longer! But since I always encode at 640x??? I'm fine with Bilinear and Bicubic. I normally use 700bps for single CD and 1500bps for 2 CD.
Anyway, the encoder itself is single thread so my other CPU is still running RC5.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by PSXPaul:
Since when did the KT133/ KX133 chipsets support SMP? I didn't see anything about it on Via's website, nor have I heard of any reviews of an SMP motherboard for Athlons. The only SMP chipsets I know of that Via produces is the 133a, but I could be wrong. Do you have any links?</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If I ever find the link, I'll post here. It was one of those more obscure website who got their hands of an engineering sample and do a couple of quick ones. I curse myself for not saving the link/page.
Edit: HEY! PSXPaul, I think U R Right!!! The VIA board is indeed for PIIIs. Sorry for the muckup. I saw the initial preview more than 6 months ago somewhere. Here's the best part. VIA has caught up with the old BX. This is great news. If things goes the way they're going, VIA's DDR chipset will be greatly anticipated by me indeed!
http://2cpu.com/Hardware/tiger133/tiger133.html
The initial review I saw had benchmarks that look like the first bar. Check out the review! Not bad for VIA. Check the rest of the website, especially for the MSI 694x review.
http://www.2cpu.com/Hardware/msi_694d/
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[This message has been edited by E_T (edited 12-11-2000).]
Since when did the KT133/ KX133 chipsets support SMP? I didn't see anything about it on Via's website, nor have I heard of any reviews of an SMP motherboard for Athlons. The only SMP chipsets I know of that Via produces is the 133a, but I could be wrong. Do you have any links?</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If I ever find the link, I'll post here. It was one of those more obscure website who got their hands of an engineering sample and do a couple of quick ones. I curse myself for not saving the link/page.
Edit: HEY! PSXPaul, I think U R Right!!!
The VIA board is indeed for PIIIs. Sorry for the muckup. I saw the initial preview more than 6 months ago somewhere. Here's the best part. VIA has caught up with the old BX. This is great news. If things goes the way they're going, VIA's DDR chipset will be greatly anticipated by me indeed! http://2cpu.com/Hardware/tiger133/tiger133.html
The initial review I saw had benchmarks that look like the first bar. Check out the review! Not bad for VIA.
Check the rest of the website, especially for the MSI 694x review.http://www.2cpu.com/Hardware/msi_694d/
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[This message has been edited by E_T (edited 12-11-2000).]
Yes, I know what you mean. I'm using FlashMPEG*e*ss to RIP and Divx codec to reencode. What I mean was, why did it take 11 hours? Wat r ur parameters?
I usually use 640x??? cropped, 23.9fps, Reconstruct Progressive, Bicubic filtering, MMX DCT, 1500bps Low Motion Divx and PCM 48000hz.
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I usually use 640x??? cropped, 23.9fps, Reconstruct Progressive, Bicubic filtering, MMX DCT, 1500bps Low Motion Divx and PCM 48000hz.
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Dual Celeron 300A oc 450, Gigabyte GA-6BXD, ATI Radeon 64MB VIVO 166 oc 180, 256MB SDRAM, Abit HotRod66, IBM DS 34GXP 20.1GB, Pioneer 10x Slot-in DVD, Yamaha 8424 CD-RW, Yamaha YMF744 XG sound, W2K SP1, Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900U.