https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-...nchmarks-faster-than-amd-ryzen-9-5950x-rumor/
this is really underwhelming.
this is really underwhelming.
Intel 12x00 series Alder lake
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How is 25% faster in single-core with little to no optimizations on an ES chip underwhelming? That's literally the opposite of underwhelming, if the rumor is true. I don't really know any games using 32threads.. I'd rather have faster IPC and clocks than extra cores that aren't used. That fat chunk of L3 Cache is hot as **** too 
Also remember that this is with, afaik, JEDEC DDR5 which is slow with insanely high timings. We haven't seen any DDR5 released yet that's even running XMP.
Also remember that this is with, afaik, JEDEC DDR5 which is slow with insanely high timings. We haven't seen any DDR5 released yet that's even running XMP.
How is 25% faster in single-core with little to no optimizations on an ES chip underwhelming? That's literally the opposite of underwhelming, if the rumor is true. I don't really know any games using 32threads.. I'd rather have faster IPC and clocks than extra cores that aren't used. That fat chunk of L3 Cache is hot as **** too
Also remember that this is with, afaik, JEDEC DDR5 which is slow with insanely high timings. We haven't seen any DDR5 released yet that's even running XMP.
Zen 4 is rumored about 40% ...Also the 12900k frequency is 5.3 ghz for some cores.Is pushed very high imo.
Also with all this marketing about DDR5 i expected something more .... intersting
I mean AMD made something intersting with Zen 3 3D and it gets 15% more performance in games.
How do you know what clock speed is pushed hard on an architecture that is brand new on a node that hasn't been used on desktop yet?
Again, this is a sample that was used with extremely slow DDR5 as there is ZERO on the market beyond JEDEC speeds. JEDEC is always slow .. hell, JEDEC just moved to 3200Mhz on DDR4 not very long ago.
The performance considering the tons of limitations and lack of optimizations is very impressive. It will only go up from there, especially, I suspect, when we have memory that isn't running slow as piss. We'll see some XMP kits once the platform releases.
There's no real world use data of Zen3 3D getting 15% improvement yet. It's rumored.
Again, this is a sample that was used with extremely slow DDR5 as there is ZERO on the market beyond JEDEC speeds. JEDEC is always slow .. hell, JEDEC just moved to 3200Mhz on DDR4 not very long ago.
The performance considering the tons of limitations and lack of optimizations is very impressive. It will only go up from there, especially, I suspect, when we have memory that isn't running slow as piss. We'll see some XMP kits once the platform releases.
There's no real world use data of Zen3 3D getting 15% improvement yet. It's rumored.
andino
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25% over the AMD 5950 in single thread is nice. That might get some people to purchase. That is, if there are any available. I wonder what the benchmarks look like with all cores. My guess is that AMD will still win that race. Because if not, well, Intel would have leaked that benchmark out too...
12900K showing 11% faster Multi-Core than the 5950X in Cinebench.
These aren't Intel leaks. These are the result of the douche that "acquired" very early samples and sold them for thousands of dollars. Many of the people who bought them have been struggling to find motherboards, though. You can buy JEDEC DDR5 right now if you wanted to.
These aren't Intel leaks. These are the result of the douche that "acquired" very early samples and sold them for thousands of dollars. Many of the people who bought them have been struggling to find motherboards, though. You can buy JEDEC DDR5 right now if you wanted to.
Ok ... you are right...There are still too many variables for Alder Lake.
So we do like this.Promise me if the 12900k will be underwhelming then send a pic of your epeen to KAC.He will not ignore that for sure.
CurrentlyPissed
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I'm assuming Alder Lake will not work on Z590 boards.
pax
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We can assume that with pcie5, ddr5, new node, new bigger socket that ADL will beat Zen3 easily.
I think amd can close the breach somewhat with its stacked L3 but if its still on am4 I doubt it. ADL will win by 10% ST...
But who knows what other things amd will do with zen3+ maybe they'll put it on 6nm for some higher clocks.
I think amd can close the breach somewhat with its stacked L3 but if its still on am4 I doubt it. ADL will win by 10% ST...
But who knows what other things amd will do with zen3+ maybe they'll put it on 6nm for some higher clocks.
The thing is the end user ends up swallow all the hassle by buying a very new platform (DDR5) with more money and bugs for only rummored 25% ? I remember my Zen 1 experience from 2017.
I do feel AMD is in a more advantageous position because you have matured AM4 that is mature enough and with ZEN 3 3d may close the performance gap that ADL has.
Of course not. It's a completely new platform with PCIE5.0, DDR5 Memory, and a larger socket (LGA1700).
As for swallowing costs of a new platform... So what? It's cutting edge technology with the fastest memory on the market and I'd hope the fastest performing platform as well.
AMD still has issues with USB and AGESA on their "matured" AM4 platform.. so..??
I guarantee the Zen3 with 3D Cache is going to get absolutely ****ing stomped by AlderLake after a couple updates and optimizations.
Yes but you comparing an old platform with DDR4 vs the fancy new platform DDR5 and ADL completly new architecture.If Zen 3 3d is 10% less performance than ADL then it will be kinda underwelming.
Also DDR5 even with loose timings will be premium for early adopters.
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You're assuming the best case scenario for AMD, while also assuming the worst for Intel. I'm not going to argue with you man.
DDR5 will be expensive but high end DDR4 is absurdly priced as well .. so what's the difference. Again, you want cutting edge technology, then you gotta pay for it. If you don't, then stick to DDR4 and your old platform.
DDR5 will be expensive but high end DDR4 is absurdly priced as well .. so what's the difference. Again, you want cutting edge technology, then you gotta pay for it. If you don't, then stick to DDR4 and your old platform.
I want something more than 25% for a fancy DDR5 + new ground up architecture + PCIE5.0.I don't care if it's AMD (AM5) or Intel (LGA1700)
let's see how it goes.
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Hapatingjaky
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OK see you in 10 years.
So i ask too much.I feel i am being milked for money.
demo
space cadet
Interesting design, though I'm not sold on it for desktop. Hopefully the scheduler is good enough to properly differentiate between big and little cores for games.
And then in the age of DX12 multithread optimised games, how much will performance be hindered compared to AMD when using all cores?
And then in the age of DX12 multithread optimised games, how much will performance be hindered compared to AMD when using all cores?
If it's beating the 5950X in Cinebench in the worst setup possible (worse than ES chip, JEDEC memory, cheap B600 motherboard that is also an ES) I would say the thread performance is more than capable. That's driven mainly by IPC and clocks, but I would expect more cores/threads with the successor to AlderLake, which will be compatible with the AlderLake boards.
I'm excited as hell for this chipset. I think it's going to completely thrash Ryzen in gaming. I'm hoping we have some decent DDR5 to buy, though. I've yet to see any XMP kits yet, but apparently G.Skill said they will have better than JEDEC kits ready by AlderLake release.
I'm excited as hell for this chipset. I think it's going to completely thrash Ryzen in gaming. I'm hoping we have some decent DDR5 to buy, though. I've yet to see any XMP kits yet, but apparently G.Skill said they will have better than JEDEC kits ready by AlderLake release.