Best 55" or larger for Console Gaming?

Cream said:
You have image retention on your Plasma?
I've had a 42" Panasonic PZ85U plasma for 5 years and it's not showing any sign of image retention.
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Yep! I won't play any games on it from now on because of it. I always have serious doubts when people say they don't notice IR on their plasma... I always suspect they just don't see it or never play anything on it that causes it.

I babied my plasma because it was the first big screen I bought... broke it in and got it calibrated. If I play any game with a bright, static hud or my fiancée watches a channel with bright logo (hate that crap) or black bars for several hours I get IR that will last a minimum of a few hours sometimes days. I had IR that lasted a month from playing a game a few hours a day for a few days... don't have to worry about that on my lcd.

Every friend and family member I know with a plasma has permanent burn-in or IR problems and most don't notice it... it's plain as day but for some reason they don't see it or choose to ignore it.

Obviously it varies a lot from set to set but there are a large number of people with problems with it and I would never consider a plasma again because of it. I could never recommend one for gaming because of static hud's
 
MyTMouse said:
Every friend and family member I know with a plasma has permanent burn-in or IR problems and most don't notice it... it's plain as day but for some reason they don't see it or choose to ignore it.

Obviously it varies a lot from set to set but there are a large number of people with problems with it and I would never consider a plasma again because of it. I could never recommend one for gaming because of static hud's
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I doubt your claims on these points just as you doubt everyone that says they don't have IR problems.:)

We do plenty of gaming and watch plenty of sports on our plasma.

I think you just got a bad set dude. It is possible, I've seen people on AVSForum have IR problems and exchanged for a replacement and did not have the same problems with the new set. How many sets did you have the problem with? And that problem being, IR that would last for a month at a time, which is unheard of with modern plasmas.

It is a fact IR and burn in is not anywhere near as bad a problem as it was years ago. IR will pretty much always wash away instantly on my Panny G10 with full screen motion content.
 
Watched 2014 CES info. Looks like Vizio is coming out with a 70" 4K set with low input latency mode for $2,600.

http://ces.vizio.com/p-series.html

Incredible Ultra HD offers 4 times the resolution of Full HD, with a dedicated VM50 Ultra HD engine for incredible detail and clarity, and complemented by advanced picture technologies for the vivid color and stunning contrast that elevate Ultra HD to a whole new level.

P-Series gets its ultra-sharp contrast from 64 Active LED Zones that are fine-tuned to adjust to the smallest detail with Active Pixel Tuning technology. The result is Dynamic Contrast Ratios up to 50 million to 1, highlighted by radiant whites and rich, inky black levels that are rendered with pinpoint precision.

P-Series eliminates blurring and judder with a towering 960 Clear Action Rate that’s achieved by faster refresh rates, enhanced scanning backlight and a VM50 engine with motion estimation/motion compensation (MEMC) features. Combined, they offer unparalleled motion smoothness and image stability.

For movie viewing, P-Series blows away traditional 3:2 pulldown with a Pure Cinema Engine that adjusts its frame rate to show films as they were intended, in their native 24 & 48 fps, with a fidelity to thrill any cinephile.

P-Series features a breakthrough for gamers with revolutionary High Velocity Mode that adjusts your TV’s frame rate to enable extreme gaming at an ultra-fast 120 frames per second with incredibly low latency.


If it really has all that and does it right that will be what I get. Full active backlit with "enhanced scanning backlight" Since it's Vizio I'm sure there is a downside.

Since I'm now considering this for home theater, since this was moved, native 24 and 48 fps should be interesting.
 
guest said:
Watched 2014 CES info. Looks like Vizio is coming out with a 70" 4K set with low input latency mode for $2,600.


Since I'm now considering this for home theater, since this was moved, native 24 and 48 fps should be interesting.
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Beware,

A lot of these "features" are just marketing gimmicks transformed from the natural spec requirements of 4k, probably the biggest change being the handling of 120hz sources.

High velocity mode? Sounds like normal 120hz input, most likely at 1080p upscaled to 4k. Pure Cinema Engine? Sounds like 10:10 and 5:5 pull down to me, most likely a 240hz panel. The clear action rate is just the panel flashing the backlight 4x times per frame, 240x4=960. 64 LED zones? What a joke. My 2009 Toshiba Regza had 80 zones, and the ZL1 had 512! 64 zones is pitiful.

To me, this sounds like a plain old Vizio, and the 64 zone led is the biggest fail, I would take Samsung's software micro dimming over that. I would either buy a nice 1080p panel now, or wait till those OLEDs comedown to reasonable prices.
 
Meteor|WAR said:
I doubt your claims on these points just as you doubt everyone that says they don't have IR problems.:)

We do plenty of gaming and watch plenty of sports on our plasma.

I think you just got a bad set dude. It is possible, I've seen people on AVSForum have IR problems and exchanged for a replacement and did not have the same problems with the new set. How many sets did you have the problem with? And that problem being, IR that would last for a month at a time, which is unheard of with modern plasmas.

It is a fact IR and burn in is not anywhere near as bad a problem as it was years ago. IR will pretty much always wash away instantly on my Panny G10 with full screen motion content.
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Doubt it all you want it's the truth. Thousands of posts on AVSforum from people that have IR issues. Granted it is a lot less prevalent now than many generations ago but you still have to be careful with a new set. My sister's Samsung plasma seems to be the most resistant but it still shows up and she hates it now that I pointed it out and she always notices it. I would never recommend a plasma for gaming because of the static hud's and that many people play games for long stretches at a time... on a new set that could be bad. High end lcd sets are so good now if you're at that price bracket I see no point to plasma. To me plasma sets are only good value at the low end
 
I never use the amount of negative posts on a forum as a barometer of a product's actual quality and function. As always, its more likely they only represent a very small amount of customers, while the larger base is enjoying no problems yet just not bothering to report on it.

That said, to be on topic here I will agree with you in that I wouldn't recommend plasma as a first choice if your primary use is gaming. But I think its the best choice for TV and movie viewing, and I stand by what I said that IR is not as prevalent a problem as you claim.
 
DigitalDemon said:
To me, this sounds like a plain old Vizio, and the 64 zone led is the biggest fail, I would take Samsung's software micro dimming over that. I would either buy a nice 1080p panel now, or wait till those OLEDs comedown to reasonable prices.
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The Vizio R series will have 384 zones. 4 zones is better than microdimming in my opinion.
 
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The Vizio R series will have 384 zones. 4 zones is better than microdimming in my opinion.
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How much more will the R series cost though?

And 4 zones would be useless, 64 zones is almost as bad. My reasoning is that the zones have to cover more area, so average contrast per zone would stay high, as the chance of bright pixels in a single zone is higher, and surrounding zones must raise their brightness to average it out. My regza had this issue as well, where in many high contrast scenes you would have the halo glow, in the shape of giant squares.

Microdimming, while totally less effective than local dimming, does still work and is much much cheaper to implement than local dimming. Samsung also chose to use S-PVA panels, which in my opinion was a good move as it sacrificed some viewing angle for 3-4 fold increase in native contrast ratio over the usual IPS.

So while I loved my old local dimming Regza, which would have a stunning picture in a small amount of scenes, My Samsung with microdimming has a better picture in a much larger variety of scenes.

Of course the more zones you have, the strengths of local dimming will start to shine. But your wallet will become lighter in the process. And if you are gonna spend that amount of money, I would invest in OLED.
 
There is an AVS forum user that owns a w900a that was impressed by what I believe is a 16 zone 50" E series that just came out and says it beats the w900a in lighting big-time. Of course color wise it does not. Sony and Samsung seem to have a hard time keeping flashlighting under control and there seems to be a bit of a lottery if you will get a set that looks good.

Anyhow I'll check the P series out in person to make sure it doesn't suck. If the lag is decent I'll drop 2,600 on a 70" 4K television and use it to look at home photos as well.

In an interview I watched today they said the P series panels are third generation 4K panels. I also learned from that interview I doubt I can afford the reference series because Vizio had those panels custom built.

My Panasonic plasma VT25 is for watching movies while this will be for gaming and media/computing. I guess 3D is dead/dying. Looks like Sony doesn't really use SimulView period on the PS4, they do have a 3D game but only one so I guess I will not miss that feature.
 
curio said:
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Let me know what you think of it... I almost got that instead of the Panny ST60
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Looks better than my VT25. With the input on GAME mode and motionflow in impulse it is outstanding in games. The 240 Hz 10 bit panel looks very nice. Impulse requires the backlight to be cranked up and the room light sensor disabled for proper brightness.

I will play around with XR960 and motionflow clear plus for broadcast and movies later.

I am beyond pleased with this set. It is impressive.
 
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