Battlefield V DLSS Tested, The Biggest RTX Fail Of Them All
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I know right. Coulda been a contender. Needed now more than ever with game engines getting to the point where even 4k isn't enough to get rid of jaggies !_!
Hopefully TAA continues to mature and become better implemented like what which the Hardware Unboxed says because relying on a sparky little robot shite to figure things out seems like a waste of resources. Especially with it being limited to certain resolutions or tied to other performance sapping effects.
NWR_Midnight
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What's impressive about DLSS? I mean, when the 3000 comes out, specifically the ti version, will it require 8k to use it, as it will be to fast to use DLSS at 4k? As it will render the native 4k image faster than DLSS per Nvidia's explanation of why lower resolutions are not available on the 2080Ti.
Then you add in that just simply upscaling the image from a lower resolution is a better, cleaner, sharper image. In other words DLSS isn't really doing crap but seriously blurring the image.
Nvidia's best move going forward is to ditch DLSS and focus only on Ray Tracing/TAA. The other option is to put all their R&D into focusing on the tensor cores, to improve DLSS image quality to be superior to even be better than a simple 1440P image upscale, as well as getting tensor core speed improvements so the cards can do lower resolutions as well, which is where AA is needed most. If that is even possible. The only option there might only be to increase the number of tensor cores, which means costs will sky rocket. If they choose to do that, then that means that raw performance of the card will most likely not improve since no R&D will be going into the actual core of the GPU, and that will be a non starter for most people.
Now we know why DLSS can't be performed on a native resolution frame (4k native), and has to do it on a lower resolution frame (1440p) and be upscaled (to 4k). Because it is way to slow to do it at the native resolution and speed would be inferior to TAA giving us lower frame rates. DLSS is appearing to be just trickery. Kind of like where smoke and mirrors are used to get people to believe in magic..
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The potential of more welcomed performance and it does help with aliasing. The downsides are some rendering issues, softness or lack of detail, over-all content, and resolution flexibility. Nvidia may have to roll up their sleeves, work harder to convince gamers that Dlss and hardware tensor cores are worth it by solving the downsides. To convince the unconvinced and impress the unimpressed.
OverclockN'
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Why in the world would anyone go through the expense of moving to 4k and want to deal with image softness and lack of detail? No way in hell.
Put more R&D into gpu power or game engine tech so we can use superior AA methods again instead of upscaling a lower resolution and using super computers to churn out a robots idea of what's good enough looking. Also have Nvidia and AMD work with devs to implement said anti aliasing techniques in their engines instead of wasting time and money on meme tech to sell 1 generation of cards.
This **** is lipstick on a pig and always will be because you are upscaling a lower resolution to a higher resolution and letting a machine **** with the image. There also isn't enough money in the world to get humans to validate this **** and tell the machine to try again.
DLSS needs to vastly improve in terms of sharpness in order to make it worth it in my opinion. The added blur is pretty severe, even if the performance increase can be quite large.
Id rather see the performance increase cut in half in order for a sharper image. Possibly upscaling from a higher resolution?
Id rather see the performance increase cut in half in order for a sharper image. Possibly upscaling from a higher resolution?
Doesnt mean squat when game engines are only including blur fest aa like FXAA, TAA and DLSS and maybe some times SMAA. TXAA is all but gone it seems as well which was the previous nvidia meme AA that was supposed to be spiffy.
Far be it from me for partaking in most "triple A" titles but the one I see AA like that suck ass. You couple this with the fact that raytracing needs to be involved for dlss to be enabled as far as i know from watching videos and we're gonna have a bad time and **** adoption. More coupling like I've been saying when game engines start needing multiple blurry ass AA methods even at 4k to make the jaggies go away (ReEngine) I have to say we're boned an no amount of upscaled machine learned tom ****ery is gonna help clear things up.
As per the video I linked with all that power why not just upscale how HW Unboxed did jam on some proper old school AA methods using them meme cores and pipe that **** out to a upscaled 4k res. Would no doubt blow the dlss shots away.
I don't know, softness isn't the end with flexible tools for the gamer. Nvidia offers FreeStyle that offers filters that improve IQ with setting sliders like detail and clarity with Battlefield V supported. These settings may help address the softness. I don't know.
FreeStyle settings: https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-c...-nvidia-freestyle-ui-ark-survival-evolved.jpg
FreeStyle settings: https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-c...-nvidia-freestyle-ui-ark-survival-evolved.jpg
FXAA needs TAA on top to do any good and last anybody heard from MLAA was like 2011/12 with Deus Ex Human revolution and Dishonored >:EI think ya'll are forgetting the early days of FXAA and MLAA and how crappy they were. Give DLSS some time...Fine wine
MLAA was yet another meme AA and a console abortion one at that from what I remember.
The end all be all alpha and omega is deferred rendering was a mistake and we're doomed. 4080Ti's and 4x SSAA at 8k for all or bust.
Also hai Dave I miss seeing you around but I understand why you don't come here often
May of spoke too soon on metro not having FreeStyle support:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/412020/discussions/0/3658515990050712779/
HReissM said:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/412020/discussions/0/3658515990050712779/
There's no need to run DLSS in Battlefield V, the game already gets 60 - 80 fps with RTX Ultra at 1440p from that performance patch a few months ago.
But it does sound like Nvidia is half assing their training. There's no reason for 4k DLSS to look worse than native 1440p, since it's 1440p supersampled to 64x. Regular 4x or 8x RGSS or OGSS required a sharpening filter back in the day so maybe 64x SS needs a similar filter in place.
But it does sound like Nvidia is half assing their training. There's no reason for 4k DLSS to look worse than native 1440p, since it's 1440p supersampled to 64x. Regular 4x or 8x RGSS or OGSS required a sharpening filter back in the day so maybe 64x SS needs a similar filter in place.
