AMD has a master plan that spells doom to Nvidia

razor1 said:
Yet you have an issue when I say small Vega may or may not beat pascal gp 104 at the higher end of the spectrum but the outlook looks promising. What gives? Like to slide in there when you feel its ok and you can make it sound like it doesn't support what you think 100%, and when asked for clarification, you just dismiss everything that has been well documented by the Fabs about their process and what AMD stated about their max perf/watt increase because it doesn't fit in with hopes and figments of your imagination of AMD improving their perf/watt performance through architecture? I can see where this is going...... You believe one side of AMD marketing but you don't believe the marketing from the fabs?

Mind you I'm not saying they aren't going to get any increased throughput they are going to get some just not as much as 2.5 perf/watt, more like a 20% increase. Which 20% is a large number and a similar number to nV got from Keplar to Maxwell 2.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/3020...will-survive-and-yes-even-thrive-in-2016.html


http://www.decryptedtech.com/news/g...nces-14nm-process-in-partnetship-with-samsung
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"Yet you have an issue when I say small Vega may or may not beat pascal gp 104 at the higher end of the spectrum but the outlook looks promising."

When did I ever state that? All I ever questioned is your fantasy facts about performance per watt without hard numbers. I never said it would beat the 980 Ti.

These chips are meant for mid range not to beat NV's Pascal. Of course their highest mid range would hopefully compete with the 980/980 Ti, but fact is we don't know. That doesn't mean it will beat it.

You seem to be going around other forums arguing pretty heavy about this. Why don't we stop the attitude and just enjoy the new technology when its released for what it is?

I haven't chimed in before because I thought it best to let it ride but I see all you do is crank it up.
 
http://www.redgamingtech.com/amds-radeon-polaris-performance-per-dollar-the-immersive-era/


Raja Koduri said “What you’ll see us do is completely different with Polaris 10 and 11. We are really focusing on trying to bring FinFET technology with it’s amazing performance per watt to as many segments as possible. As many ranges of performance as possible. I can tell you Ryan, you and your readers, you’ll be pleased at what we’re going to do with this thing and you’ll be surprised.
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Here is a tid bit everyone missed, Raja did say their perf/watt increases are coming from Finfets.
 
bittermann said:
"Yet you have an issue when I say small Vega may or may not beat pascal gp 104 at the higher end of the spectrum but the outlook looks promising."

When did I ever state that? All I ever questioned is your fantasy facts about performance per watt without hard numbers. I never said it would beat the 980 Ti.

These chips are meant for mid range not to beat NV's Pascal. Of course their highest mid range would hopefully compete with the 980/980 Ti, but fact is we don't know. That doesn't mean it will beat it.

You seem to be going around other forums arguing pretty heavy about this. Why don't we stop the attitude and just enjoy the new technology when its released for what it is?

I haven't chimed in before because I thought it best to let it ride but I see all you do is crank it up.
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Yeah I don't have a problem with that, just tell the others here not call names or try to shift the focus of the discussion to a personal level then? I would like to see those warnings....
 
razor1 said:
Yeah I don't have a problem with that, just tell the others here not call names or try to shift the focus of the discussion to a personal level then? I would like to see those warnings....
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Razor do me a favor and don't play the victim card pls
 
Higgy10 said:
Razor do me a favor and don't play the victim card pls
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You want to show me who started it off?

It started off in this thread and another

It was Mac and Shadow, and I was nice about, I asked them why they were going down that road..... there were two posts before, Mac said what he said.

Then in this thread,

Skynet stated what he stated, then I went on it....

You guys are mods, here I was patient enough to see what you guys will do you did nothing. But when I final lost my patience, and started doing what they were doing, then you get on the case?
 
razor1 said:
You want to show me who started it off?

It started off in this thread and another

It was Mac and Shadow, and I was nice about, I asked them why they were going down that road..... there were two posts before, Mac said what he said.

Then in this thread,

Skynet stated what he stated, then I went on it....

You guys are mods, here I was patient enough to see what you guys will do you did nothing. But when I final lost my patience, and started doing what they were doing, then you get on the case?
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Please report abuse or pm us. We may not look at every post. It gets our attention a lot faster. I know I mentioned something to a new user that came in and said something in his first post.

Also, keep in mind not everybody's idea of abuse is considered abuse or breaking forum rules. Heated discussions are welcome as long as they stay civil. By reporting or pm'ing it gets our attention and we definitely take a closer look. We'll also ask/get other mod's opinions so most of the time its not just one mod having to make the decision.

PS: I was going to pm this but thought it would be good for everyone to see.
 
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For a recap of what bittermann said, use the report post button or pm. We aren't babysitters, referees or E.C.E's. We are volunteers that don't get paid or really any tangible benefits whatsoever.

A lot of posts lately are polarizing to say the least, which is cool. Strictly speaking if I followed the forum rules like a Nazi I could have banned a half dozen ppl at least.(despite popular opinion I don't think I actually can ban anyone) Personally I don't want to hear any crying from anyone, this is pre-school behavior as far as im concerned. We have a thread on entitled ppl and the victim culture in p&r. This goes for EVERYONE.

Nor do I care what is permitted on other forums. This isn't hardforums and im not kyle Bennett.

If it was up to me lol, id roll up a cannon and start adding gas to the fire. Sadly I cant..

All I ask is for everyone here to act like the adults they are and conduct themselves like they would in real life.
 
Let see what is likely (my opinion folks)
  • AMD will have better per/w on the low and mid range up to the high
  • Nvidia will have the best performing higher end cards, looking like the 1080 or whatever it is called being the fastest single gpu made ever
  • AMD will most likely trump that with Vega early 2017
  • Nvidia will respond with either a special GP102 version or GP100 later

I would also say that market share will start to go the other way for awhile. VR for this generation will make little impact for most buyers. Enthusiast gamers I think will be more interested in VR which initially I think Nvidia will be ahead with the 1080 until Vega hits (that is if AMD can actually deliver Vega early 2017).
 
badsykes said:
Oh common guys ... can you stop this throwing the cat from one another...Patience for a couple of weeks and all things will be revealed .... :p :D

razor1: you know you cannot convince another one until they convince themselves :D ... They really want AMD to be in the front now... This may be a little illusion they want to have ... So let them :heart:
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razor1 said:
Yes them being blind as a bat really helps them I can see.
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So anyone that don't agree with you guys are blind or living a illusion, you both are the perfect example of sic fanboyism, and this razor1 and friends, removes from you guys any impartiality and we all now what we can expect from the arguments of a person that lacks any impartiality.

I'm not discussing hardware because i really don't know that much about it, so i don't discuss of things i don't know, but knowing about the subject or not one thing is certain, i do know how to recognize when someone is being a fanboy.


On topic - i'm of the opinion that AMD has a uphill batlle in front of them, Nvidia is certainly a strong rival with deep pockets and with a very strong market presence and reputation, at lest on PC, so i'm not seeing them staying idle as AMD grows, is a interesting time indeed and i can't wait for the next GPU's to see how things play out, one thing is certain we consumers only win with a strong competition between AMD and Nvidia.
 
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Argoon1981 said:
So anyone that don't agree with you guys are blind or living a illusion, you both are the perfect example of sic fanboyism, and this razor1 and friends, removes from you guys any impartiality and we all now what we can expect from the arguments of a person that lacks any impartiality.

I'm not discussing hardware because i really don't know that much about it, so i don't discuss of things i don't know, but knowing about the subject or not one thing is certain, i do know how to recognize when someone is being a fanboy.


On topic - i'm of the opinion that AMD has a uphill batlle in front of them, Nvidia is certainly a strong rival with deep pockets and with a very strong market presence and reputation, at lest on PC, so i'm not seeing them staying idle as AMD grows, is a interesting time indeed and i can't wait for the next GPU's to see how things play out, one thing is certain we consumers only win with a strong competition between AMD and Nvidia.
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All love for you mate ... :heart:
Also from what i know razor1 is a dev so he surely have access to other kind of sources for information about new toys.I ask myself why he would lie or what is his interest to lie on an AMD forum ? What is his win? On the other hand do you think nvidia fans that bash AMD have anything to win if AMD dissapears.The prices for "their" nvidia cards are there also because of the existence of AMD.The graphics performance and advances are here because these two (nvidia and amd) exists..So the bashing is also an ilusion.
Also razor1 saying about 490 series is in the same ballpark as what Roy Taylor said officialy in an interview:

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/04/amd-focusing-on-vr-mid-range-polaris/

Their objective is to increase the TAM.You don't do this with 500$ + cards.If you want to go for AMD ferrari you have Radeon Pro Duo..AMD interest is market share and VR success..For VR success you have to get more people onboard in the 390/390x market...
There is this illusion that if AMD doesn't release a uber card to shake nvidia the rest it doesn't matter.From Roy interview i do feel that Nvidia and AMD begin to actually complement each other..One in VR and other in car industry.One in mainstream the other in high end market..At least this year this is the case seems.Also keep in mind that nvidia has a bigger budget for risky movements than AMD.AMD can't afford too many risky movements.

Enjoy!
 
I've seen razor1 on both sides of the fence and he does have a lot of knowledge on the subject. The only thing I think he takes exception with is people saying it's a 980 Ti killer or at east on par to it. Even I don't believe that. These are mid range cards that will be priced very, very competitively. If it did beat the 980 Ti they sure as hech would not be selling them for $325-$350. They could easily get $500+ for those and they would still fly off the shelves. Would I like it to be true, hech yes but I'm trying to be more realistic. Hard to ignore AMD's own words.
 
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The Mac said:
I never implied they'd be TI killers either.

fiji level performance.

thats certainly not a TI killer.
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I adjusted my post to add "or on par with the 980 Ti".

A $325 card with Fury Pro performance would be awesome!
 
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The Mac said:
I never implied they'd be TI killers either.

fiji level performance.

thats certainly not a TI killer.
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I don't think anyone did. Hell I was laughed at for even suggesting that amds strategy appears to mirror the 4800 series. Sure looks that way to me. Naturally time will tell.

As for your last post bittermann I disagree. Naturally that's my personal opinion and I'm sure I'll be called a bad mod for giving said opinion
 
Higgy10 said:
I don't think anyone did. Hell I was laughed at for even suggesting that amds strategy appears to mirror the 4800 series. Sure looks that way to me. Naturally time will tell.

As for your last post bittermann I disagree. Naturally that's my personal opinion and I'm sure I'll be called a bad mod for giving said opinion
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LOL...let's just say you're more optimistic than I am! :up:

I hope I'm wrong, we are pleasantly surprised and you were right. :evil:
 
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