Rage3D v5.0 - what do you want to see?

At the root of it, it means we are changing our focus from being content driven to community driven.

How does that play out? Well, being content driven, our first priority with "Rage3D v5.0" was developing the new CMS. Get the content up and flowing, then bring along the forums next. All our resource (funding, time, energy) flowed in that direction, and we never got to the forums, the community itself, since it wasn't the driving priority.

With a community driven focus, a dedicated CMS is no longer the priority. We build the community first - new forum software, tweak and hone the forum focus. Take advantage of bells and whistles included in current software, which provides functionality far beyond our current abilities.

Question, how is this being project managed? Do you have a plan of action (coz, you know, it's been AGES since this was first discussed :D ), funding etc. lined up or do we need a gofundme? Plan with regards to gamification/etc. especially if you are pushing for UGC.

And most importantly, what is the story with the platform? Are you pushing back on implementation till some of the other boxes are checked first?

Also, do you need help or are y'all good on the platform/community/content management stuff?

Not going to like, while I like vB to a degree, the current implementation is incredibly long in the tooth. If you are pushing for user generated content and will continue to rely on the current platform (sans upgrades), there may be some limitations that affect things both ways.

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Overclock.net is great for that, I question whether or not rage3d has the user base to do this.

Overclock.net has 3107 users online right now. 814 Members and 2293 guests

Rage3d has 353 users online (48 members and 305 guests)

Curation and collation is not difficult to maintain and seek to grow :) I think it's been a while since we've had collaborative things across communities.

There are several ways to grow your audience and bring in more eyeballs to see what's what. Paid is the easiest, but also the lowest reputation and shortest gain method of doing it. It looks like Loopy and team are looking at something different but, I dunno :)
 
Not a member at oc.net but just from a quick glance it looks like they have a fairly robust system in place for user reviews. Is something like that coming or are we just adding a sub forum for reviews and those will be linked on the front page?
 
Not a member at oc.net but just from a quick glance it looks like they have a fairly robust system in place for user reviews. Is something like that coming or are we just adding a sub forum for reviews and those will be linked on the front page?

Need gamification for best results in the short-term for user generated content.

The caveat is, what metrics are being used here? Is it just top level stuff? Are there more detailed metrics looking into engagement and "heat maps" of viewers?

What works for OC may not work here, and vice versa.

I am really curious to see what actual plans have been put forth and brain-stormed :D

SHOW US OH HOLY ONES !!!
 
Not going to like, while I like vB to a degree, the current implementation is incredibly long in the tooth. If you are pushing for user generated content and will continue to rely on the current platform (sans upgrades), there may be some limitations that affect things both ways.

:cry:
We are NOT staying with the current Rage3D software, but will be migrating to a current platform (vBulletin 5 Connect or alt).
 
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Next year...

On the most dramatic espiode...

An unprecedented development and direction...

Does not make any sense but still because its new...

Stay tuned for...

"What is going on with Rage3D 5.0?"

A story that hasn't been told yet...

Because the developers haven't developed it yet...

But the new year will offer...

All that you have been waiting for...

The next update convoluted message from the owners/mods that will bring us closer...

That will say what they don't want to say and will not say what they want to say...

To the conclusion of this epic saga of failure, betrayal, indolecense, incest and google humping...

Until the next year...

STAY TUNED!
 
Next year...

On the most dramatic espiode...

An unprecedented development and direction...

Does not make any sense but still because its new...

Stay tuned for...

"What is going on with Rage3D 5.0?"

A story that hasn't been told yet...

Because the developers haven't developed it yet...

But the new year will offer...

All that you have been waiting for...

The next update convoluted message from the owners/mods that will bring us closer...

That will say what they don't want to say and will not say what they want to say...

To the conclusion of this epic saga of failure, betrayal, indolecense, incest and google humping...

Until the next year...

STAY TUNED!

I imagined it with the epic voice of, "in a world...". :lol:
 
At the root of it, it means we are changing our focus from being content driven to community driven.

How does that play out? Well, being content driven, our first priority with "Rage3D v5.0" was developing the new CMS. Get the content up and flowing, then bring along the forums next. All our resource (funding, time, energy) flowed in that direction, and we never got to the forums, the community itself, since it wasn't the driving priority.

With a community driven focus, a dedicated CMS is no longer the priority. We build the community first - new forum software, tweak and hone the forum focus. Take advantage of bells and whistles included in current software, which provides functionality far beyond our current abilities.

This is the exact opposite of what many people suggested you do.

Content is going to bring in viewers/members and the community is what will keep them here.

To be community driven you need a community, which (if you ignore long time regulars) is pretty lacking. Other sites get away with it because they are much larger/have more engaged/active membership.

This decision makes no sense.
 
Maybe I'm explaining this poorly. We still plan to have content, and I think we can have interesting articles / reviews that will pull in new viewers, without going the full CMS route + overhead specific to having a separate review staff.
 
This is the exact opposite of what many people suggested you do.

Content is going to bring in viewers/members and the community is what will keep them here.

To be community driven you need a community, which (if you ignore long time regulars) is pretty lacking. Other sites get away with it because they are much larger/have more engaged/active membership.

This decision makes no sense.
Time to ban this mofo...


:bleh:



:lol: Good call. I wasn't as explicit in my posts... :p
 
This is the exact opposite of what many people suggested you do.

Content is going to bring in viewers/members and the community is what will keep them here.

To be community driven you need a community, which (if you ignore long time regulars) is pretty lacking. Other sites get away with it because they are much larger/have more engaged/active membership.

This decision makes no sense.

To be fair, most people commenting in this thread don't have a clue about community, community management, trends, etc.

You have to acknowledge the 90/9/1 rule.

If content will drive traffic and some participation, that is excellent. It seems there is still some malleability to the plan so lets work together.

A lot of the criticism is truly unwarranted :)
 
Maybe I'm explaining this poorly. We still plan to have content, and I think we can have interesting articles / reviews that will pull in new viewers, without going the full CMS route + overhead specific to having a separate review staff.

What dragged me into the forum was the pc gaming section. I joined to follow neil and enjoyed the community which does sadly seem to be dwindling outside of off topic.

Anandtech has a ton of content. Personally I only joined there to trade which I've done rarely over the years. Their forums don't seem too active.

Then you look at something like ocn which I'm not even sure has a front page and that place is always mobbed. Its all community driven as far as I can tell.

Xtremesystems used to be that way as well until they made a bunch of mistakes. They did very well due to their extreme niche of extreme ocs. I joined that place because of a google search due to issues that I was having with a motherboard at the time.

Hardforum has a very active community. It does a few things very well. For example trading and the display section.

IDK, I think that you guys might need to find a niche and do it well. Just to get peoples foot in the door. What that something is? I have no clue. Focusing on radeon support might be tough with competition out there. Rage 3d isn't going to pop up in a google search of someone having an issue with their product, sadly.

I like the community here but I can't think of anything that this place does particularly well that would drag in new members, sadly.
 
We already have a niche over here - Radeons. We need to get back to the roots of Rage3D in my opinion, and this move is an excellent opportunity to do so. Being community driven doesn't mean that there won't be any content, I plan to write at least a column as I used to do, plus Radeon-specific content, since, you know, this is Rage3D and there are stuff in your graphics card that nobody ever bothers to give a second look.

Rage3D's community will take care of the rest. I am very optimistic with this new direction the site is headed and only good things will come out of it imo :)
 
We already have a niche over here - Radeons. We need to get back to the roots of Rage3D in my opinion, and this move is an excellent opportunity to do so. Being community driven doesn't mean that there won't be any content, I plan to write at least a column as I used to do, plus Radeon-specific content, since, you know, this is Rage3D and there are stuff in your graphics card that nobody ever bothers to give a second look.

Rage3D's community will take care of the rest. I am very optimistic with this new direction the site is headed and only good things will come out of it imo :)
At the moment that Radeon community is elsewhere. It's hard to claim a niche when a place like ocn has such a wealth of information on the very subject.

Regular articles may very well help. Explaining and testing new features is something that I thought that caveman Jim did very well. Used to see his posts and articles linked elsewhere often enough.
 
At the moment that Radeon community is elsewhere. It's hard to claim a niche when a place like ocn has such a wealth of information on the very subject.

Regular articles may very well help. Explaining and testing new features is something that I thought that caveman Jim did very well. Used to see his posts and articles linked elsewhere often enough.
Key phrase: "at the moment". After all, if everything were super successful around here, there'd be no need for change in the first place ;)
 
Being community driven doesn't mean that there won't be any content, I plan to write at least a column as I used to do, plus Radeon-specific content, since, you know, this is Rage3D and there are stuff in your graphics card that nobody ever bothers to give a second look.

Great news, always enjoyed your writing. :heart:
 
So at this point we're working through forum upgrade and new hosting logistics. It will likely be this summer sometime when it happens. Need to decide on forum platform - if it will stay vB or change to something else, and make sure we test the migration process ahead of time. We're still evaluating best way to host the site going forward as well. I'd like to keep this R3D site online as long as possible until we need to cut over, limiting the amount of lost posts. However given how old a forum version we're on, any migration is going to take time.

I have read most if not all of this thread, and I understand the concerns about need for content to bring in members. However, good content costs good money and requires a tremendous amount of management to keep it flowing smoothly and be of high quality. Online advertising is also much more difficult to do well with high returns than it once was.

If I shared how much money I've lost subsidizing Rage3D in this last failed transition and the last couple years, many would wonder why it is still online. It is online because I care about it, and so does Lupine, along with many of our mods and long time members. R3D needed a new direction because it wasn't sustainable at its burn rate, and there wasn't enough available capital to invest or time to manage the process to get it to a profitable, self-sustaining content driven state.

So, we will move the site to a supportable forum version with modern spam avoidance, content and blogging capabilities, and built in tools for many things we had to build in custom to this version of R3D all those years ago. Once we get the forum running smoothly in this new state it will cost less, run better, and offer many more features to the community and the site.

We will work to bring back relevant content via blogs and promoted user content, along with the occasional feature length special content - possibly reviews or technology previews or other content the community is interested in. Will it work? Well we're at lest going to find out, and do it in a way that we can keep Rage3D online for its dedicated community while we go through this transition.

I take full responsibility for the many accurate accusations that R3D has aborted several transitions. Some were due to my own failures or life events, some were due to events that were far out of our control.

For those who have contributed meaningful feedback to this process thank you so much for your time and regard for the site. For those skeptical, feel free to remain that way until we have something to show for it. I understand where you are coming from.

I'm moving to a new home in the next several weeks, and my goal is to get Rage3D to its new home this summer as well.

Some of you have already reached out to Lupine or me interested in helping out with the migration or future site. Thank you for your offer and initiative. Anyone who is interested in helping out feel free to contact me directly at [email protected] or PM me. If you don't have time but want to support the site, we take paypal donations to [email protected] and offer ad-free subscriptions to the site at the following link: http://www.rage3d.com/subscribe/

Thank you for your support.

Best Regards,
Eric "Ichneumon" Amidon
 
If I shared how much money I've lost subsidizing Rage3D in this last failed transition and the last couple years, many would wonder why it is still online. It is online because I care about it, and so does Lupine, along with many of our mods and long time members. R3D needed a new direction because it wasn't sustainable at its burn rate, and there wasn't enough available capital to invest or time to manage the process to get it to a profitable, self-sustaining content driven state.

Thanks, Eric and Charlie, for keeping Rage alive even though it costs you $ to do so. :heart:
 
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