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4080 will be the same or maybe 5% to 10% faster than the 3080 ti and be 899+

and 4080 ti will be 6 to 9 months after and the one to buy and be 1199+
 
Nunz said:
.. you think the 4080 is going to be only 15-20% faster than the 3080?

way off
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hard to say

the 2080 was only 8% faster at 4k than a 1080 ti
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition/33.html

and the 3080 was 24% faster at 4k than the 2080 ti
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/34.html

most of the time the non ti just beats the last gen Ti by a little bit



if it is only the 4080 then it may be close to 25%
but if they release the 4080 ti at the same time it will be slower and they save the speed for the 4080 ti at the higher price
 
Considering how close the 3080 and 3080TI are this gen, I can't see that being the case. The 2080TI stomped the 2080, but the 3080TI is only ~10% faster than the 3080.

Also, with AMD being competitive again, I don't think they'll be able to release a 4080 that is barely faster than a 3080.
 
Nunz said:
Considering how close the 3080 and 3080TI are this gen, I can't see that being the case. The 2080TI stomped the 2080, but the 3080TI is only ~10% faster than the 3080.

Also, with AMD being competitive again, I don't think they'll be able to release a 4080 that is barely faster than a 3080.
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NV has a formula they almost alway have about the same performance over last gen
and i think they hold something back just incase

but they will plan for AMD if AMD comes out and beats them with RDNA 3 it's all good they will do a fast 6 month redo like they did with the gtx 480 to gtx 580
and they can sell you all new cards again in the same year
the Jacket needs a new Lamborghini :lol:

hell i think they got Hopper all ready to go just in case
it's original release date is past
 
bill dennison said:
NV has a formula they almost alway have about the same performance over last gen
and i think they hold something back just incase
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1x00 series would prove this false. 1080 and 1080Ti were much faster than 980/980Ti if memory serves.

2x00 series yes as 2080Ti was deemed not sufficiently faster than 1080Ti.
 
acroig said:
1x00 series would prove this false. 1080 and 1080Ti were much faster than 980/980Ti if memory serves.

2x00 series yes as 2080Ti was deemed not sufficiently faster than 1080Ti.
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the 1080 non ti was same 24% over a 980 ti at 1080p and 27% at 4k
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080/26.html

and the 1080 ti was 26% over it 10 months later at 4k after 9 months between

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/30.html

it is better if they don't come out together


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kind of odd the 3080 ti is only 10% faster at 4k

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-founders-edition/28.html

jacket didn't want to kill the 3090 :hmm:
 
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bill dennison said:
the 1080 non ti was same 24% over a 980 ti at 1080p and 27% at 4k
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080/26.html

and the 1080 ti was 26% over it 10 months later at 4k

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/30.html

it is better if they don't come out together


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kind of odd the 3080 ti is only 10% faster at 4k

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-founders-edition/28.html

jacket didn't want to kill the 3090 :hmm:
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So you agree that's not 'same performance'?
 
I bought the 980TI and 1080TI. The difference between now and then is that the TI is no longer a refresh that replaces the original price point to extend the original pricing for an additional year on the same node. It's actually a much higher priced card and it has to be slower than the Titan class despite coming out a year later. Back then you paid the same price and waited longer but you got a much faster card that would only be beaten a little by the next generation. It came down to the silicon maturing and them being able to bring the whole fat design out with the TI version.

They don't launch cards every year now and the last two generations were not large enough of a leap to allow two large increases on the same node via TI. They are bringing the entire full fat node to the table right away and cutting one or two SM's to ease production. This allows for a minor bump on the TI version of the Titan card and makes the TI version of the normal series pretty much pointless outside of competitive price advantages. This makes the TI much less exciting and in the case of the 2000 series there really was no TI outside of marketing purposes and as you can see with the 3000 series there wasn't really any room for one either. The 3090 was 10% faster than the 3080 and the fat full die was only 5% faster than the 3090 which came out 1.5 years late offering pretty much nothing.

From what I've read this next series will have the 4090 on a completely different chip than the 4080/4080TI. It will probably be much faster than the 4080 and that will allow Nvidia to sell the cut down 4080 at a budget level and then speed up the chip a little more a year later for the TI version.
It would be nice to see the TI version actually worth the extra cost but they have to have enough performance to do it. I think they should go back to the old ways and just offer the TI at the same price point with a 10% free boost for people who are buying halfway through a card cycle which is generally unfortunate.

They need to make the 4080 worth while and the 4090 worth while first and foremost. If they want to charge extra for minor performance boosts halfway through the lifespan of the cards that is cool but it shouldn't be a series consideration when it comes to waiting for it. It's more of a product for people who happened to be upgrading mid cycle and it's available so they buy the extra 10% TI version. Nobody should be intentionally waiting half way through a card series lifespan and paying a premium for a 10% performance boost. It amounts to 5FPS which means it runs the same as the original cheaper cards that people owned from the start. IF they get enough performance out of a design to make the 4080 feel worthwhile and powerful while bringing out a second huge increase with the TI version then that is great but it's still coming out late and they shouldn't be charging dumb prices for it.
 
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the_sextein said:
I bought the 980TI and 1080TI. The difference between now and then is that the TI is no longer a refresh that replaces the original price point to extend the original pricing for an additional year on the same node. It's actually a much higher priced card and it has to be slower than the Titan class despite coming out a year later. Back then you paid the same price and waited longer but you got a much faster card that would only be beaten a little by the next generation. It came down to the silicon maturing and them being able to bring the whole fat design out with the TI version.

They don't launch cards every year now and the last two generations were not large enough of a leap to allow two large increases on the same node via TI. They are bringing the entire full fat node to the table right away and cutting one or two SM's to ease production. This allows for a minor bump on the TI version of the Titan card and makes the TI version of the normal series pretty much pointless outside of competitive price advantages. This makes the TI much less exciting and in the case of the 2000 series there really was no TI outside of marketing purposes and as you can see with the 3000 series there wasn't really any room for one either. The 3090 was 10% faster than the 3080 and the fat full die was only 5% faster than the 3090 which came out 1.5 years late offering pretty much nothing.

From what I've read this next series will have the 4090 on a completely different chip than the 4080/4080TI. It will probably be much faster than the 4080 and that will allow Nvidia to sell the cut down 4080 at a budget level and then speed up the chip a little more a year later for the TI version.
It would be nice to see the TI version actually worth the extra cost but they have to have enough performance to do it. I think they should go back to the old ways and just offer the TI at the same price point with a 10% free boost for people who are buying halfway through a card cycle which is generally unfortunate.

They need to make the 4080 worth while and the 4090 worth while first and foremost. If they want to charge extra for minor performance boosts halfway through the lifespan of the cards that is cool but it shouldn't be a series consideration when it comes to waiting for it. It's more of a product for people who happened to be upgrading mid cycle and it's available to they buy the extra 10% TI version.
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the 3000 were ****ed because of Samsung .

now that they are back to TSMC it will go back to normal i think


and the 3090/Titan will be back to a top useless card in the 2500.00+ price point like the point Titan RTX

if they don't bring out the ti with the non ti at the same time the 4080 ti will be 9 months later and about 24% faster than the 4080 that will be about 24% faster than the 3080 ti

then a 3090/Titan ti at the same time as the 4080 ti
 
The 3000 were in much better shape than the 2000 which were TSMC. The truth is that they are not pushing huge designs that take years for the silicon to improve to the point where it will work. The full design is much more restrained and it's brought out right away in it's full form minus a few SM's so they don't have to manufacture perfection to get card numbers out in mass. The TI variant of the Titan will probably be 10% faster than the Titan and the 4080 will be on a more reserved design for budget purposes. Nvidia will continue to try and get as many people under the Titan banner as possible and I believe they will win most gamers over by offering a noticeably faster card a year early with more VRAM for a couple hundred more than a TI.

For those who absolutely refuse to pay 1000+ for a GPU, the 4080 will serve them well. They have no reason to wait a year and pay over a thousand for a TI either. The TI will continue to exist so that NVidia can continue to flood the market with different price points to combat AMD's cards. For that reason they will continue to be released later rather than up front like the 2000 series when Nvidia had no competition.
 
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Mangler said:
The 2080 eventually ended up curbstomping the 1080 ti though.
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The $800 2080 was beaten across the board by the $500 3070 immediately upon release. It's really hard to compare these things generation to generation but the 1080TTI was $700 and stood up to the 2080 much better than the 2080 did vs the cheaper 3070. I think the 2000 series was just a terrible series and they mucked up the titles of the cards to try and hide it's failure. It's also possible that Nvidia was aware that AMD was not going to compete so they simply didn't try and decided to go crazy on consumers since they had no competition to stop them. The prices were very unjustified in my opinion. The takeaway is that new generations often bring in much more performance making mid range outperform the high end at times. THE 980ti and 1080ti were the way they were because the 980 and 1080 were held back to allow the TI to shine later. This was only possible because they were making much larger gains back then that took longer for TSMC to get working.
 
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