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Came down to my computer this morning to find that Windows 10 auto-installed its self :mad:. Fortunately I was able to decline the user agreement and I was able to revert back to Windows 7.

Some shady business going on here :mad:
 
For those who run into this "fun issue" (like my gf's sister), you can roll back to 7/8.1 if you do it in 30 days from;

Start / Settings / Update & Security / Recovery and from there recover your previous install.
 
Additionally, to prevent this from happening in the future, make sure to not install any windows 10 enabling windows update, just click that "more info" link in windows update and use some common sense, normally the title gives this updates away.


To remove most of this updates, just run the following commands in admin elevated cmd session (start>type "cmd">right click >run as admin)

wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:3012973 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart

wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978 /norestart

do the same for the following line (changes windows update to "never check for updates")
(the following is suppose to be a single line in cmd)
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdat e\Auto Update" /v AUOptions /t REG_DWORD /d 00000001 /f

Lastly, for any win vista/7/8/8.1/10 user... you might want to consider downloading and installing Spybot Anti-Beacon
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
 
That sounds like a lot of work...if you're on Windows 8 there is absolutely no reason not to upgrade...those on Win 7 I can understand. We just had a customer this morning that had the same thing happen...wanted to switch back to 8...like WTF for?
 
bittermann said:
That sounds like a lot of work...if you're on Windows 8 there is absolutely no reason not to upgrade...those on Win 7 I can understand. We just had a customer this morning that had the same thing happen...wanted to switch back to 8...like WTF for?
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My computer, an MSI GT70(ivy bridge based) (not MSI GT70 2)isn't listed as windows 10 supported device here: http://event.msi.com/2015/windows10/en/upgrade.html

and indeed when you look at its drivers here:
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT70-0ND.html#down-driver
windows 10 is not an option.

fact of matter is that it doesn't even have proper drivers for windows 8, for win8 ... win7 drivers are used.

Moreover, if you run Latency Mon
http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
you can see how shitty this drivers are, everything blown to red.

however, that doesn't stop microsoft from attempting and installing windows 10

after which the computer is unstable and besides not running smoothly, also gives random blue screens of death every now and then, totally unreliable.

Its honestly not all that much of work to run this 11 lines in CMD (one by one), takes a whole 30seconds (you can right click > paste inside cmd)

and there is no way around it, otherwise you risk waking up with 10 installed

So far win10 is like roofies in my drink...

on computers that actually have working drivers, its not a bad OS, honestly only version I ever skipped was Windows ME, used them all, 98 & 98b... server 2008 r2 as workstation... even 8 and 8.1
10 is definitely not bad, I prefer to block ms's telecommunication (that is actually a lot of work... which is why I opt to use that spybot anti-beacon https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ which makes it easy)
 
bittermann said:
That sounds like a lot of work...if you're on Windows 8 there is absolutely no reason not to upgrade...those on Win 7 I can understand. We just had a customer this morning that had the same thing happen...wanted to switch back to 8...like WTF for?
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How about not having Windows 10 constantly trying to update your drivers to ones that aren't actually compatible with your hardware? Or not having Windows force reboot a production system half way through a multi-day operation to apply it's mandatory updates? (at least by default)

My personal peeve is the stupid build updates that constantly add/reinstall/reenable things you do not want. Windows 10 can die in a fire.
 
Samuraicow said:
fact of matter is that it doesn't even have proper drivers for windows 8, for win8 ... win7 drivers are used.
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I ran into a similar situation last week - a HP laptop was upgraded to Windows 10 without the owners permission (Then again, she's a "normal user" so I can't be sure if she's pressed Yes at some point or just clicked the window away) and it crippled the machine for the use she had for it.

The HP laptop sports a dual ATI GPUs and Windows 10 does not support the older ATI GPU resulting in HDMI out not working at all. While for some people this might not be an issue, she was using the laptop to view stuff on her TV and pretty much nothing else.

Seriously, I'm considering sending bills for my time to Microsoft and/or filing a complaint for their practices to EU. I'm sure they can use a few billions for anti-competitive practices again. And no, EULA doesn't mean **** here, it's already been slapped in court before - before someone brings that up.
 
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I've been manually updating five computers because of this since last fall when they started pushing Win10 on two computers that are not compatible. I decided I will not "upgrade" the rest to 10, either. I'm waiting for the end of July, when the bulls++t is supposed to end.
 
1madman1 said:
How about not having Windows 10 constantly trying to update your drivers to ones that aren't actually compatible with your hardware? Or not having Windows force reboot a production system half way through a multi-day operation to apply it's mandatory updates? (at least by default)

My personal peeve is the stupid build updates that constantly add/reinstall/reenable things you do not want. Windows 10 can die in a fire.
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I have never had that happen on any of the systems I have Windows 10 on. I wonder what the difference is. My experiences with 10 have been nothing but good, and yet other people have lots of problems. I have no idea what I'm doing differently than anyone else.
 
daPhoenix said:
I ran into a similar situation last week - a HP laptop was upgraded to Windows 10 without the owners permission (Then again, she's a "normal user" so I can't be sure if she's pressed Yes at some point or just clicked the window away) and it crippled the machine for the use she had for it.

The HP laptop sports a dual ATI GPUs and Windows 10 does not support the older ATI GPU resulting in HDMI out not working at all. While for some people this might not be an issue, she was using the laptop to view stuff on her TV and pretty much nothing else.

Seriously, I'm considering sending bills for my time to Microsoft and/or filing a complaint for their practices to EU. I'm sure they can use a few billions for anti-competitive practices again. And no, EULA doesn't mean **** here, it's already been slapped in court before - before someone brings that up.
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Please do!


wazman said:
I have never had that happen on any of the systems I have Windows 10 on. I wonder what the difference is. My experiences with 10 have been nothing but good, and yet other people have lots of problems. I have no idea what I'm doing differently than anyone else.
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Have you been reading the above posts at all?
if your hardware isn't supported and you upgrade (either by choice or not) to windows 10 (or any os that doesn't support your hardware) you get nothing but world of pain.
Unless if by chance somehow some drivers that aren't designed for your exact hardware, somehow work (which is sort of how "officially" windows 8 is supported on my laptop, an ivy bridge based msi gt70)

You are not special, you just happen to have hardware that is supported.
alternately you might not know right from left.
to check for compatibility, try running latency mon on windows 7\8\8.1(either of), and on windows 10, same results? awesome.
now go to device manger, nothing marked with yellow triangle?
how about functionality? everything works?
roughly same performance in games\general use\synthetic benchmarks?
can you run burn-in \ stability checking software for 48+ hours without crashes? how about just actually using the computer for a few days without tuning it off, works fine? all ports are accessible? great.

my computer works flawlessly on windows 7, and could literally not operate more than 24 hours without seeing blue screen of death on windows 10. On windows 10 I also have massive performance hit just to top it off.

daPhoenix's client's hp's laptop loses an entire gpu and the HDMI port.

1madman1 gets windows update to shove (force install) bad drivers that aren't compatible with his machine

does any of this sound like the way things should be?
 
Samuraicow said:
Please do!




Have you been reading the above posts at all?
if your hardware isn't supported and you upgrade (either by choice or not) to windows 10 (or any os that doesn't support your hardware) you get nothing but world of pain.
Unless if by chance somehow some drivers that aren't designed for your exact hardware, somehow work (which is sort of how "officially" windows 8 is supported on my laptop, an ivy bridge based msi gt70)

You are not special, you just happen to have hardware that is supported.
alternately you might not know right from left.
to check for compatibility, try running latency mon on windows 7\8\8.1(either of), and on windows 10, same results? awesome.
now go to device manger, nothing marked with yellow triangle?
how about functionality? everything works?
roughly same performance in games\general use\synthetic benchmarks?
can you run burn-in \ stability checking software for 48+ hours without crashes? how about just actually using the computer for a few days without tuning it off, works fine? all ports are accessible? great.

my computer works flawlessly on windows 7, and could literally not operate more than 24 hours without seeing blue screen of death. I also have massive performance hit just to top it off.

daPhoenix's client's hp's laptop loses an entire gpu and the HDMI port.

1madman1 gets windows update to shove (force install) bad drivers that aren't compatible with his machine

does any of this sound like the way things should be?
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Wow, did you grow that attitude yourself, or did you buy it at the store? All I did was post my experiences with Windows 10 and wondered what I might have been doing differently. I didn't claim to be ComputoGod, I didn't claim to have any special abilities or practices, I didn't claim that anyone else was doing anything wrong, or making stupid mistakes. I just typed some words on a freaking screen.

And to answer your question, no, of course they should not be that way. And you want to talk about hardware not supported by Windows? Perhaps you missed my posts back when Windows 10 was in beta, about how surround sound would not work AT ALL on my Realtek onboard sound for several builds (I think that's still an issue for some people).

There are days I wonder why this forum has any users left, the way some of you will jump down someone's throat for little or no reason. But by all means, carry on.
 
wazman said:
Wow, did you grow that attitude yourself, or did you buy it at the store? All I did was post my experiences with Windows 10 and wondered what I might have been doing differently. I didn't claim to be ComputoGod, I didn't claim to have any special abilities or practices, I didn't claim that anyone else was doing anything wrong, or making stupid mistakes. I just typed some words on a freaking screen.

And to answer your question, no, of course they should not be that way. And you want to talk about hardware not supported by Windows? Perhaps you missed my posts back when Windows 10 was in beta, about how surround sound would not work AT ALL on my Realtek onboard sound for several builds (I think that's still an issue for some people).

There are days I wonder why this forum has any users left, the way some of you will jump down someone's throat for little or no reason. But by all means, carry on.
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ehh, sorry man, took what you said the wrong way, tried to emphasis that its not about something you are doing right and others doing wrong, its just about poor level of support for some hardware

could have chosen better way to say that...

my apologies
 
Samuraicow said:
ehh, sorry man, took what you said the wrong way, tried to emphasis that its not about something you are doing right and others doing wrong, its just about poor level of support for some hardware

could have chosen better way to say that...

my apologies
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what? an apology on the internet... I had to read it twice it was so rare to see...:p
 
Samuraicow said:
Additionally, to prevent this from happening in the future...
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Excellent advice. But if you're okay with the telemetry updates that MS is forcing on Win7/8.1, there is a simpler way that doesn't involve disabling Windows Update (which is fine for power users that can remember to manually check it from time to time, but definitely isn't advisable for the majority of users). You can proactively disable the upgrade by either using the Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc), or adding a couple of registry keys using regedit.

Group Policy
...
Computer Configuration
To block the upgrade by using Computer Configuration, follow these steps:

Click Computer Configuration.
Click Policies.
Click Administrative Templates.
Click Windows Components.
Click Windows Update.
Double-click Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update.
Click Enable.
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or

Windows registry
...
To block the upgrade to Windows 10 through Windows Update, specify the following registry value:

Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1
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Adding the registry key is only necessary if you're running Win7/8.1 Home. Enabling the group policy in Win7/8.1 Pro does the same thing.

Then you can optionally disable the GWX icon by adding another registry key and rebooting. You can safely leave the GWX app/icon running, however-- the first step is what actually kills the upgrade. Removing the icon just makes for a cleaner system tray.

Windows registry
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For non-Enterprise versions of Windows, the notification icon can be suppressed through the Windows registry. To do this, set the following registry value:

Subkey: HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
DWORD value: DisableGwx = 1
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SOURCE for all of the above: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

Done, and done. You can leave Automatic Updates enabled and not have to worry about waking up to Windows 10. We do this where I work and it prevents the upgrade scenario from even cropping up. (Also, you should probably uncheck Give me recommended updates... in the WU settings as an extra precaution, just in case. And install Spybot Anti-Beacon-- recommended by Samuraicow-- or GWX Control Panel to disable/remove the telemetry updates.)
 
10 has been more efficient than 7 for me oddly enough. I do miss some things about 7, but all in all happy with 10.
 
ASCI Blue said:
10 has been more efficient than 7 for me oddly enough. I do miss some things about 7, but all in all happy with 10.
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I have Win10 Pro installed on a secondary PC, and I agree... it's not bad. The OS itself is fine; I just hate all the baggage that comes with it. And the fact that MS keeps finding new and unique ways of removing freedom (and choice) from the average end user only serves to provoke me even more.

That said, Win7 is what I use on my main rig, so it's still my primary OS. At this point, Redmond will have to pry it from my cold, dead hands-- and I will fight them every step of the way. :evil:
 
deadite_9 said:
I have Win10 Pro installed on a secondary PC, and I agree... it's not bad. The OS itself is fine; I just hate all the baggage that comes with it. And the fact that MS keeps finding new and unique ways of removing freedom (and choice) from the average end user only serves to provoke me even more.

That said, Win7 is what I use on my main rig, so it's still my primary OS. At this point, Redmond will have to pry it from my cold, dead hands-- and I will fight them every step of the way. :evil:
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By baggage do you mean the built in tracking/telemetry?

http://arstechnica.com/information-...ccused-of-adding-spy-features-to-windows-7-8/

7/8 haven't escaped attention either.
 
Lazy8s said:
By baggage do you mean the built in tracking/telemetry?

http://arstechnica.com/information-...ccused-of-adding-spy-features-to-windows-7-8/

7/8 haven't escaped attention either.
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Oh, I'm well aware of that, too. I'm installing fewer and fewer of the monthly updates these days due to Microsoft's shenanigans. And I'm very wary of their new "solution" to slow and painful updates on Win7-- monthly rollups that include the very updates I purposely avoid.

A part of me wants to just give up and accept the way things have turned. But the rest of me wants to tell MS precisely where to shove their new "OS-as-a-service" rhetoric. I guess I've just gotten old and crotchety.

And by "baggage," I meant the whole slew of changes that are the new law of the land: forced updates, including monthly cumulative updates that seem to cause as much harm as good, along with forced driver upgrades, the overt telemetry and data-gathering, the "appification" of the OS as a whole, the insistence on using a MS account, and the overall dumbing-down of the system (wherein MS treats its customers as being unable to make their own decisions), etc., etc.

These are just the first few that sprang to mind. Plus they're being downright invasive-- and exceedingly arrogant-- when it comes to pushing people onto Win10, whether they want it or not. Folks shouldn't have to aggressively opt-out of stuff like this, ya know?
 
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