What ATI tuners work with Windows 7

[DA1745]

Hey guys I really need some help here i have windows 7 and an ATI HD4850 and i want to buy tv tuner im thinking in the Ati HD650 or 750 which one is better?

In my country i have analog cable and clear QAM i would like to have both signals at the same time Does the 750 can do this? or just the 650 dual tuner.

Im kind of confused about the tv tuners types flying around Hybrids, duals, single

There is a review in amazon of a guy using Windows7 and a 750 and he says that is a great tuner but he cant watch analog andd digital chanels at the same time, is that true? Thanks in advance

Hey Tashidondrup,
First, to clarify: So far i have ONLY seen a USB TV Wonder 750 that is a single Hybrid tuner = Which means it will tune 1-ATSC/CLear QAM ===OR=== 1-NTSC at one time. There were SUPPOSED to be coming out with a PCI-E version but so far in the U.S. I have not seen it. (it will likely have 2 tuners ~ but unsure if they will be Dual hybrid (each tuner capable of ATSC & NTSC) or just dual tuners (1-ATSC/Clear QAM & 1-NTSC)?!?

So, if your country DOESN'T OFFER a PCI-E version of the TV Wonder 750 and you want to have TWO Tuners. Then the choice would seem obvious to me (It's also what I currently am using: TV Wonder 650's PCI-E).
Each tuner is serperate. 1-ATSC/Clear QAM & 1-NTSC.
I have a different graphics card than you in my Windows 7 System, but like yours it's also an ATI (mine is HD3870, but I don't think that makes one whiff of a difference), the important similarity is that they are both ATI.

I posted above that under W7 Ultimate. with my ATI HD3870 + TV wonder 650. I installed both cards - shut down pulled power cord - (first I installed the graphics card...booted, shut down). Then pulled cord etc. then installed the TV Wonder 650 & booted. Then I installed the newest CATALYST 10.1 bundle with the Display drivers, WDM, CCC package (you can always turn off CCC or stop it from loading in MSconfig if you don't like it. The reason I install it, is I seem to have issued (unable to install) when I just try the Display drivers & WDM (I get a failed install ever since VISTA)...

Anyway after I installed the Catalyst 10.1 bundle successfully, I DID NOT Reboot. I simply installed the Windows 7 Drivers for the TV Wonder 750. Yes the 750. I never checked device manager after installing the Catalyst 10.1 package, but others have said, that - that is all they needed to install to get it working and for Device manager to find drivers for it to use. Unfortunately, I did not pause there in the process to check (but no issues with installing the TV Wonder 750 drivers either. SO if it's necessary you can install them if not, you can hold off & try a reboot (installing them if needed).

This is a sort of temporary fix AFAIConcerned, I am waiting for ATI to Officially release Windows 7 drivers for the TV Wonder 650, but until they do, i'm glad that it's working fine without it.

***** EDIT: it did not work exactly fine... It would only record one or the other which is not the correct behavior. In the thread above of mine i corrected the information about what you need to do (namely for me it wasn't using the 10.3 W7 drivers when they came out as i got the same result (one tuner or the other) but when i followed a suggestion and used the old Vista 9.3 drivers for the TV Wonder 650 that solved it in W7. (see above).

 

[tashidondrup]

Hey Tashidondrup,
First, to clarify: So far i have ONLY seen a USB TV Wonder 750 that is a single Hybrid tuner = Which means it will tune 1-ATSC ===OR=== 1-NTSC at one time. There were SUPPOSED to be coming out with a PCI-E version but so far in the U.S. I have not seen it. (it will likely have 2 tuners ~ but unsure if they will be Dual hybrid (each tuner capable of ATSC & NTSC) or just dual tuners (1-ATSC & 1-NTSC)?!?

So, if your country DOESN'T OFFER a PCI-E version of the TV Wonder 750 and you want to have TWO Tuners. Then the choice would seem obvious to me (It's also what I currently am using: TV Wonder 650's).
Each tuner is serperate. 1-ATSC & 1-NTSC.
I have a different graphics card than you in my Windows 7 System, but like yours it's also an ATI (mine is HD3870, but I don't think that makes one whiff of a difference), the important similarity is that they are both ATI.

I posted above that under W7 Ultimate. with my ATI HD3870 + TV wonder 650. I installed both cards - shut down pulled power cord - (first I installed the graphics card...booted, shut down). Then pulled cord etc. then installed the TV Wonder 650 & booted. Then I installed the newest CATALYST 10.1 bundle with the Display drivers, WDM, CCC package (you can always turn off CCC or stop it from loading in MSconfig if you don't like it. The reason I install it, is I seem to have issued (unable to install) when I just try the Display drivers & WDM (I get a failed install ever since VISTA)...

Anyway after I installed the Catalyst 10.1 bundle successfully, I DID NOT Reboot. I simply installed the Windows 7 Drivers for the TV Wonder 750. Yes the 750. I never checked device manager after installing the Catalyst 10.1 package, but others have said, that - that is all they needed to install to get it working and for Device manager to find drivers for it to use. Unfortunately, I did not pause there in the process to check (but no issues with installing the TV Wonder 750 drivers either. SO if it's necessary you can install them if not, you can hold off & try a reboot (installing them if needed).

This is a sort of temporary fix AFAIConcerned, I am waiting for ATI to Officially release Windows 7 drivers for the TV Wonder 650, but until they do, i'm glad that it's working fine without it.

But what about for clear QAM?
i dont have ATSC signals in my country
Will de analog and the clear QAM work both at the same time with the 750?

 

[fO Che -USA-]

The only drivers I can find are on there game.amd website. It's up to version 10.1 and only says vista until you download it and the package name is 10-1_win7_32-64_unified_wdm.exe. I do believe I installed it but it seems like you have the same functionality so I don't know what gives.

ps. Amd does need to get the drivers pages straightened out for the TV tuners.

 

[paulgo]

Try this location:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

 

[fO Che -USA-]

This is what I was referring to.

 

[mikiem]

"There is a review in amazon of a guy using Windows7 and a 750 and he says that is a great tuner but he cant watch analog andd digital chanels at the same time, is that true?"

Not sure this is what you mean but: Watching more than one TV signal at the same time is dependent on the software -- e.g. there's apps for monitoring several security cams at the same time, & I believe somewhere I've seen picture in a picture advertised. At any rate, I wouldn't think there's anything in hardware that says you can't, as long as you have separate, complete tuners for every signal you want to watch -- picture in a picture has always required a 2nd tuner besides the TV's for example.

"But what about for clear QAM?
i dont have ATSC signals in my country
Will de analog and the clear QAM work both at the same time with the 750?"

Profile shows Canada... I haven't really paid attention [sorry] but I think I remember seeing quite often where Canadians have to go about it just a bit differently. I'd suggest searching here in the Rage3D forums & elsewhere, & including the word Canada.

Far as analog & QAM/ATSC go, depends on the card (dual vs. hybrid), software, & how it's set up, but people with multiple cards/tuners (including the theater chipped ATI cards) have reported recording a few streams while watching yet another.

 

[paulgo]

Try this location:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

ATI has officially released drivers for the 650 and 600 series cards (except USB tuners). The above link will take you to the page where you can sellect the download you need.

I have two problems with these drivers:
With the Catalyst Media Center I cannot access the digital tuner (antenna or cable). With the Windows Media Center - When I load the drivers and reboot the system it works fine (both analog and digital) however when I reboot the system again I will get severe picture and sound stuttering. The only solution is to reload the drivers again and reboot the system once again. Once in a while I can reboot and not have this problem, it becomes a very consistent occurrence if I use the Windows Media Player with video sharing to my PS3.

The is the message ATI has on thier website for the non supported tuners:

ATI TV Wonder™ Tuner Driver availability for Windows® 7
Last Updated
3/29/2010
Article Number
GPU-39

Article Description:
This article provides information about ATI TV tuner driver availability for Windows® 7.

Advisory:
Due to the incompatibility between Microsoft Windows 7 and ATI’s legacy TV Tuner products, driver support will not be available for the following products:

*
ATI Theater 550 Pro chipsets and older

Windows 7 Tuner drivers for the products listed below are not available. There are no plans for driver development at this time.

*
ATI All-in-Wonder™ HD
*
ATI TV Wonder™ 650 Combo USB
*
ATI TV Wonder™ 600 USB

Applicable Products:
This article applies to the following configuration(s):

* Hardware
o ATI TV Wonder Series
o ATI All-in-Wonder HD Series
* Operating System
o Windows 7 32bit
o Windows 7 64bit

 

[DA1745]

BIG BIG ERRORS IN MY ABOVE POST!!! About getting the TV Wonder 650 ( back then to work with both tuners simultaneously ). I was on a trip and it has been some time since i got back and am remembering to come update the info. The installation i used ABOVE, allowed each tuner of the TV Wonder 650 to work Independantly - I could either do ATSC or NTSC but never both at the same time! So sorry for the initial mis information.

Which makes absolute sense to me since again ( in the US ) the TV Wonder 750 is only available in a USB Single Hybrid tuner so it's natural that the drivers would only allow or recognize one tuner at a time!========
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But what about for clear QAM?
i dont have ATSC signals in my country
Will de analog and the clear QAM work both at the same time with the 750?

Sorry for the confusion ( QAM, is Under the ATSC umbrella ) - So yes BOTH the TV Wonder 650 & 750 Support Clear QAM* it's just a matter of getting software that marries up with it. For example that's a No - for XP or XP Media Center ( no QAM ). Vista - Only with CMC or With Vista Media Center ( if your system came with the Vista TV Media Pack already installed or you go & download it's parts & install it ). Windows 7 *( which you stated you are using has Clear QAM ability Natively in it.
So yes you do have ATSC - ( Clear QAM ) you just might not have O.T.A ( Over the Air - ATSC ).
Sorry for the LONG delay was absent.

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Not sure this is what you mean but: Watching more than one TV signal at the same time is dependent on the software -- e.g. there's apps for monitoring several security cams at the same time, & I believe somewhere I've seen picture in a picture advertised. At any rate, I wouldn't think there's anything in hardware that says you can't, as long as you have separate, complete tuners for every signal you want to watch -- picture in a picture has always required a 2nd tuner besides the TV's for example.
I believe what he means is that the person on Amazon is correctly rating that it ( TV wonder 750 can only record one program at a time due to being a single hybrid tuner) so he would have to have Two 750's or one 650 to do this...

ATI has officially released drivers for the 650 and 600 series cards (except USB tuners). The above link will take you to the page where you can sellect the download you need.

I have two problems with these drivers:
With the Catalyst Media Center I cannot access the digital tuner (antenna or cable). With the Windows Media Center - When I load the drivers and reboot the system it works fine (both analog and digital) however when I reboot the system again I will get severe picture and sound stuttering. The only solution is to reload the drivers again and reboot the system once again. Once in a while I can reboot and not have this problem, it becomes a very consistent occurrence if I use the Windows Media Player with video sharing to my PS3.

The is the message ATI has on thier website for the non supported tuners:
Windows 7 Tuner drivers for the products listed below are not available. There are no plans for driver development at this time.

*
ATI All-in-Wonder™ HD
*
ATI TV Wonder™ 650 Combo USB
*

Applicable Products:
This article applies to the following configuration(s):

First TY for posting i had just checked this today and was pleasantly surprised to see them there & remembered I needed to come back here & correct somethings.

Bummer about your reboot loss of function. As i have not personally installed these i will do so as soon as I can.
I look forward to hearing if the problem persists ( of course I hope it does not, and that it's just a temporary thing ).
But also, are you using a Registry cleaner to take out the reminents like Driver Cleaner Pro in addition to the Program removal & rebooting?
It's of course possible that something with your old TV tuner drivers / setup is impacting the new drivers. I swear by that software. It used to be offered free on Guru3d but it's only $9.99 download now so i'd buy it. Guru3d has another ( free driver cleaner ) up ever since DCPro went commercial, but I've only used it a tiny bit years back...

And OMG is that ONE HELL OF A SLAP IN THE FACE (((( AGAIN )))) TO ALL IN WONDER HD USERS!!!
ATI/AMD YOU ARE COMPLETE TOOL BAGS!!!!
I officially am now testing out ASUS My Cinema cards. They have good reviews and the newest came fully W7 compatible out of the box. Will hopefully speak more about them after I get it running.

 

[paulgo]

I contacted ATI about my problems and one thing they suggested was using the free version of the Guru 3D driver cleaner. I tried that plus I uninstalled the Catalyst Media Center (using the Revo Uninstaller). I also used Norton Utilities 14 registry cleaner to clear up any registry errors.

Unfortunately I still have the same problems with Window 7 64 bit - after the install or reinstall the Windows Media Center will work without any problems abut eventually after on or two reboots I will have the stuttering problem. ATI has escalated this problem to one of their experts to review.

 

[DA1745]

I contacted ATI about my problems and one thing they suggested was using the free version of the Guru 3D driver cleaner. I tried that plus I uninstalled the Catalyst Media Center (using the Revo Uninstaller). I also used Norton Utilities 14 registry cleaner to clear up any registry errors.

Unfortunately I still have the same problems with Window 7 64 bit - after the install or reinstall the Windows Media Center will work without any problems abut eventually after on or two reboots I will have the stuttering problem. ATI has escalated this problem to one of their experts to review.

I think it's shame full that ATI doesn't offer a true un-installer, registry remover for it's own products ( one that simply would record what's installed & take it off when you run it - the uninstaller ).

So Friday night i decided I wanted access to both of my TV Wonder 650 PCI-E 's tuners ( not just one or the other under Windows 7 ). So i ran the program un-installer and then ran Driver Cleaner PRo ( the old freebie form Guru 3d) so I'm wondering if it's getting all the TV wonder drivers. I had been running Catalyst 10.1 bundle with Avivo, & the TV Wonder 750 USB drivers.

After the removal I, installed the Catalyst 10.3 bundle, Avivo, then restarted, and installed the new TV Wonder 650 PCI-E Windows 7 Drivers.
1st time running it the Clear QAM channels didn't come up despite it seeing the Tuner. I checked cables, may have restarted a second time, not sure, then rescanned & found channels for both tuners.

However, no simultaneous recordings again ?!?!? So i'm back where i was before, don't know if something is stuck in the registry or if it's something else with the MOBO ? Graphics card??? GRRR - I'm going to try the operation with the Guru 3d's current free driver cleaner.

 

[DA1745]

So i posted over on thegreenbutton and got a couple of replies.
It appears that (one - so far) person experienced the same problem as me; where both tuners are seen (analog & Clear QAM) in W7, but only one tuner is available and useable (with a TV Wonder 650 COmbo dual tuner card). This person said he fixed it by going back to the TV wonder 650 9.3 Drivers (Vista). So i don't yet know whether he has W7 or Vista and if so which method he used to install. But that's hopeful.

 

[DA1745]

YES!!! KEep forgetting to come back & update.
TV WONDER 650 PCI-E dual tuners are now both working for me under Windows 7. The advise worked for me. I uninstalled & Driver Clearner pro'd all the old stuff out. I used Catalyst 10.3 Display drivers with my HD3870 graphics card and then installed the TV Wonder 650 Vista 9.3 Drivers manually via Device manager. YEAH!!!!!!!!

Hopefully someone can tell me how to properly do a bug report to ATI so they can look into that. I'd like to be able to run the latested TV wonder 650 drivers for W7 even if these happen to be working for the time being.

???... game.amd.com does not list win7 when you select driver downloads, but the downloaded Vista file is "10-1_win7_32-64_unified_wdm.exe". The win7 cat driver pkg also includes the same drivers, though without the same apps as the tuner drivers.

That said, personally I'm still having rather uneven success installing anything related to the theater hardware using ATI's install mgr, whether in 7 64 or XP Pro SP3 32, regardless whether the Install Mgr shows success or not. If I didn't check the Avivo & MCE encoder files manually, I wouldn't know they had/hadn't updated.

I'm also still finding it necessary to edit the registry after installing the CAT drivers for my graphics card... In my experience those settings have a sometimes large effect on doing anything video, with theater & graphics cards each using Avivo.

Mikiem i didn't fully understand your above posting especially wondering what you had to edit in the registry? Can you elaborate and update on the situation, please?