Rx 490 indirectly confirmed

The argument is that as of today, when we are having this discussion, the 970 and 980 are not "enthusiast class" cards. They are no longer being manufactured or sold. Today's "enthusiast class" cards would be the 1070 and the 1080, and we all know they are way beyond the 480 and the 1060 in terms of performance.

What's your point Shaider? Each time there is a refresh the previous enthusiasts card moves down the performance stack. In 6-12 months your card will be replaced by a Volta card and yours will become EOL or obsolete. It's how the tech market works.

The Apple 5 was the best phone ever when launched and then it got replaced by the 5S and 6/S and when the 7/S comes out it will become bottom of the product stack. Get used to it.
 
What's your point Shaider? Each time there is a refresh the previous enthusiasts card moves down the performance stack. In 6-12 months your card will be replaced by a Volta card and yours will become EOL or obsolete. It's how the tech market works.

The Apple 5 was the best phone ever when launched and then it got replaced by the 5S and 6/S and when the 7/S comes out it will become bottom of the product stack. Get used to it.

My point is that today, in August of 2016, a GTX 970 or 980 can not be considered "enthusiast cards" as they have been replaced. Also, the 970 was not an enthusiast card when it was released due to its position within the product stack, having both the 980 and the 980 Ti above it.
 
Bandwidth requirements for AMD is higher than Nvidia since Nvidia is doing tile rendering with Maxwell and Pascal. Unless AMD changes how Vega renders they will need more memory bandwidth.

So for AMD to use DDR5x they would need most likely need a wider bus to keep up with Nvidia. HBM2 would solve the issue in the end and not have to really redesign GCN, drivers etc.

Since Nvidia prices went up dramatically this will probably help AMD with HBM2 on the high end allowing them to sell competitive products at around the same price. $1299 for a Titan XP does give ground for a high end Fury if it performs similar or better. Same with the 1080.

AMD just needs to figure out how to make a profit, a good profit with Vega. It may end up a whole new series starting on the high end working down as time progresses. Polaris may end up as a place holder, to get 14nm production going - make some money - get Zen out - then get Vega 5xx series out/FuryRage etc.

Just read something somewhere that showed the 480 was mem bw limited. One guy got 25% better perf from memory speed increase only.

Do hope they get that sorted out for vega.
 
Just read something somewhere that showed the 480 was mem bw limited. One guy got 25% better perf from memory speed increase only.

Do hope they get that sorted out for vega.

I can't remember where I saw the comments long ago, but the polaris GPU's memory controller is supposedly to support GDDR5X, but AMD went with GDDR5 instead due to the cost. I don't know if that is true. But it makes a sense why german hardware review tested the RX 480 by overclocking memory and it gained the performance for like 5-9% boost or something.
 
My point is that today, in August of 2016, a GTX 970 or 980 can not be considered "enthusiast cards" as they have been replaced. Also, the 970 was not an enthusiast card when it was released due to its position within the product stack, having both the 980 and the 980 Ti above it.

That's true, but the whole point was that it was claimed that the 480 was only "2014 high end performance", when it actually more on par with enthusiast class cards from that time period.

This is all because atomBomb made a joking post suggesting that the 480 shouldn't be classed in the current high end performance class. Which, I think is wrong anyway (at least based on the terminology AMD is using). Hardcore PC gamers have gotten it into their heads that spending $400-$600 on a graphics card is normal, but that's out of touch with the vast majority of buyers. I think the $200+ range still rightly counts as high end. With enthusiast starting at $300+.

I remember when the Geforce2 Ultra came out at like $400 and hardly anyone even considered buying it. Back when I paid close to $300 for my Radeon 9700, I certainly considered it high end. So, I think that things have changed, and it's true that more enthusiast class cards are now selling, but that doesn't mean they're now only "high end" by the terminology AMD is using.

(On a side note, I wonder if this has changed due to us gamers being older now and having more money? I know back when I was in my late teens/early 20s, a $600 graphics card would not even be remotely within my budget, but now it no longer seems so unreasonable. Granted there has also been some inflation since then, but not that much.)

In normal discussion, I can see how one would say the 480 is only a midrange card, because hardly any actual gamers use the term enthusiast class (which is market segment speak). We have low, mid and high, and by that token the 480 is mid. But this is all just semantic nonsense, started by a joking post. ;)
 
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I can't remember where I saw the comments long ago, but the polaris GPU's memory controller is supposedly to support GDDR5X, but AMD went with GDDR5 instead due to the cost. I don't know if that is true. But it makes a sense why german hardware review tested the RX 480 by overclocking memory and it gained the performance for like 5-9% boost or something.

Thats it it was computerbase!


https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/amd-radeon-polaris-architektur-performance/
 
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