Raytracing in BF5 on any amd gpu

[Exposed]

So you made the claim, and the burden of proof is on me to disprove it? You know what that sounds like?

https://scienceornot.net/2012/12/04...ility-response-switching-the-burden-of-proof/

We already know the work/rendering is done by the GPU internally in their own code. It's the output that matters. For some reason you singled out SSR by stating "AMD's SSR" is different than "Nvidia's SSR". Which is absurd, as others have noted. That's like saying "AMD's game models" or "AMD's textures" are different than "Nvidia's game models" or "Nvidia's textures" in the same game with the same settings.

You said Nvidia cards were "gimping" SSR on purpose. Or that AMD does it better ("blows it out the water"). So, prove it. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

 

[NWR_Midnight]

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So you made the claim, and the burden of proof is on me to disprove it? You know what that sounds like?

https://scienceornot.net/2012/12/04...ility-response-switching-the-burden-of-proof/

We already know the work/rendering is done by the GPU internally in their own code. It's the output that matters. For some reason you singled out SSR by stating "AMD's SSR" is different than "Nvidia's SSR". Which is absurd, as others have noted. That's like saying "AMD's game models" or "AMD's textures" are different than "Nvidia's game models" or "Nvidia's textures" in the same game with the same settings.

You said Nvidia cards were "gimping" SSR on purpose. Or that AMD does it better ("blows it out the water"). So, prove it. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

I did not claim it did, as I already stated above, I don"t know. I simply said I bet it does. Just if I said I bet a corvette can beat a challenger... I really don't know that either. It was a general statement that you latched onto, just to argue.



Textures doesn't use algorithms or calculations to render, where SSR does so no, it is not the same. It sounds like you are trying to say that both AMD and NVidia uses the same algorithms and rendering techniques? Which is false. I mean you just stated all the work/rendering is done on the GPU within it's own code, and all that matters is the output that matters.. so, unless AMD and MVidia use identical code/techniques/technology within their own code and hardware (they don't), then they obviously use different methods at getting to the end result.


You are more than welcome to show proof if you disagree. I mean please, show us that both Nvidia and AMD are identical with how they calculate and render each frame.

I also did not say that NVidia did gimp their drivers. I said "do you not believe that NVidia wouldn't gimp their drivers to make sure that their RTX looks better?". That was a question. Your argument shows that your answer is you don't believe they would.

Might help if you stop taking things out of context just so you can aegue.

 

[Exposed]

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I did not claim it did, as I already stated above, I don"t know. I simply said I bet it does. Just if I said I bet a corvette can beat a challenger... I really don't know that either. It was a general statement that you latched onto, just to argue.



Textures doesn't use algorithms or calculations to render, where SSR does so no, it is not the same. It sounds like you are trying to say that both AMD and NVidia uses the same algorithms and rendering techniques? Which is false. I mean you just stated all the work/rendering is done on the GPU within it's own code, and all that matters is the output that matters.. so, unless AMD and MVidia use identical code/techniques/technology within their own code and hardware (they don't), then they obviously use different methods at getting to the end result.


You are more than welcome to show proof if you disagree. I mean please, show us that both Nvidia and AMD are identical with how they calculate and render each frame.

I also did not say that NVidia did gimp their drivers. I said "do you not believe that NVidia wouldn't gimp their drivers to make sure that their RTX looks better?". That was a question. Your argument shows that your answer is you don't believe they would.

Might help if you stop taking things out of context just so you can aegue.

https://scienceornot.net/2012/12/04...ility-response-switching-the-burden-of-proof/

And now...


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red_herring


Sorry, prefacing your argument with "I bet" doesn't relieve you of burden of proof. You did still make a direct claim and the onus is on you to prove it, especially if you keep making the same "I bet" statements over and over again.
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So, about "AMD SSR" Show me evidence where there is a difference from "Nvidia SSR" in any game. Preferably battlefield 5 since that is what this thread is about. Or any other game like Quantum Break that uses the same SSR method.

 

[NWR_Midnight]

https://scienceornot.net/2012/12/04...ility-response-switching-the-burden-of-proof/

And now...


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red_herring


Sorry, prefacing your argument with "I bet" doesn't relieve you of burden of proof. You did still make a direct claim and the onus is on you to prove it, especially if you keep making the same "I bet" statements over and over again.
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So, about "AMD SSR" Show me evidence where there is a difference from "Nvidia SSR" in any game. Preferably battlefield 5 since that is what this thread is about. Or any other game like Quantum Break that uses the same SSR method.

Sorry, but your twisted rules don't apply here. I don't have to justify anything to you, or show proof of a simple comment. So stop acting like I am required to because you say so. If I said "I bet you still live in your parents basement"... Am I required to go get proof? You are more than welcome to disagree, but showing proof isn't required, well, in your eyes it does, but what you think doesn't mean jack. Specially when a comment is partially opinion based. You can't prove or disprove a person's opinion. Kind of like, in my opinion , AMD has better image quality... I am sure your opinion differs

As for being on topic, this whole thread has nothing to do with Nvidia, it has to do with AMD, yet here you are, bringing up Nvidia and trying to argue about it. You can leave any time.

 

[Jasef]

Nwr in all friendliness, you made a claim and can't back it up, just move on. It is not that important.

 

[NWR_Midnight]

Nwr in all friendliness, you made a claim and can't back it up, just move on. It is not that important.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. But the thesaurus disagrees. https://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/ways-of-saying-you-are-not-sure

The way i worded it is a Synonym of saying I am not sure. It wasn't a claim.

It's sad that a person has to link a thesaurus because some people either want to manipulate what is being said, just to argue (cough cough Exposed), or they need to reeducate themselves with basic English classes and don't know any better.

 

[Jasef]

It is not that important.

 

[Exposed]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. But the thesaurus disagrees. https://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/ways-of-saying-you-are-not-sure

The way i worded it is a Synonym of saying I am not sure. It wasn't a claim.

It's sad that a person has to link a thesaurus because some people either want to manipulate what is being said, just to argue (cough cough Exposed), or they need to reeducate themselves with basic English classes and don't know any better.

You did make a claim. Two direct claims as a matter of fact. One, that Nvidia gimped SSR in Battlefield 5. Two, that "AMD's SSR blows Nvidia SSR out the water".

Still waiting for that evidence of the notion of "AMD SSR" is somehow different than "Nvidia SSR" in any game example. That's all I've been asking in my replies.

When quite a few other people call you out on your lack of evidence and knowledge of SSR, along with constant red herring arguments, perhaps you should take a step back and see who really needs to "reeducate themselves"?

 

[Exposed]

Of course SSR vs RTX, RTX will look better when comparing Nvidia with NVidia which is what all you posted is comparing. Do you not believe NVidia wouldn't make sure to gimp SSR in their drivers to make sure that their RTX always looks better?

And i am willing to bet AMD's SSR blows Nvidia's SSR out of the water. Specially if the comparison is done using 5700 FX.

Pretty direct claims, no matter how it's worded. Alright then, so:

- Support your claim that Nvidia "gimps" SSR on the same RTX card.

- Support your claim that "AMD's SSR blows Nvidia's SSR out of the water". Specifically, show there's a visual difference in SSR in any game between an AMD card and Nvidia card.

That's all I'm asking. Thanks.

 

[Higgy10]

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