Panasonic exits the world of plasma tvs

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Panasonic recently announced it would no longer manufacture plasma televisions. For many experts in the industry who care deeply about TV picture quality, that came as major news. Here are a few of their reactions, in their own words.

David Katzmaier by David Katzmaier November 6, 2013 8:14 AM PST


The ZT60 is the ultimate Panasonic plasma.
Panasonic plasma is dead. I'd like to take a moment for everyone to express their feelings at its passing.
Next March, Panasonic "will end sales of plasma TVs for consumer use and PDP-related products for commercial use," in the company's own words. They've been CNET's favorite TVs for years, and we're not alone.
Other reviewers, editors, consultants, calibrators, engineers and picture quality aficionados of every stripe have studied, designed, lauded, picked apart, recommended, purchased for themselves and/or enjoyed countless hours watching a Panasonic plasma.
I asked a few industry experts, many of whom I've worked with over the years and all of whom care deeply about picture quality, for their reactions at the exit of these flat-panel televisions from the market. I told them I'd like to publish a sort of eulogy.
The response was overwhelming.
 
As someone who can see the motion smoothing fakery that LCD has to use to just try and pathetically attempt to keep up with Plasma's response rate, it's a dark day indeed.

There are other PDP makers out there, who may pick up the torch or bow out of the race, meanwhile OLED still isn't prime time ready. :sherlock:
 
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Well over my reading the last few days I've come to notice that those specific Panasonic Plasmas are the best you can get as far as the picture quality goes.
But for all the good it is I'm still calling it a faulty technology.
Since their inception the HDTVs have been used for more than just watching cable tv. We soon went to PC use, PC gaming, console gaming, blurays , etc.

From what everyone says these are awesome just make sure you don't do anything too long because of image retention. So how is the tech not flawed if there's image retention problems? Even if you watch movies they say make sure you watch 2.35:1 4:3 and diff ratio movies constantly so the black bars don't cause image retention.

Soooo LCD is crappier but I'll be forced to buy one. If you can't fully use something then how good is it really?

Also, I thought Panasonic said they'd still sell Plasma TVs they just won't put any more R&D money into it?
 
Seen this coming for a long time now. Guess its finally official.

Crazy to think a tech that is overall better, AND cheaper than the competition is now dead. People just don't get it.

But for all the good it is I'm still calling it a faulty technology.
Since their inception the HDTVs have been used for more than just watching cable tv. We soon went to PC use, PC gaming, console gaming, blurays , etc.

From what everyone says these are awesome just make sure you don't do anything too long because of image retention. So how is the tech not flawed if there's image retention problems? Even if you watch movies they say make sure you watch 2.35:1 4:3 and diff ratio movies constantly so the black bars don't cause image retention.

If you understand the tech and know how to take care of it these problems are a non-issue with modern PDPs.
Problem is, most people don't want to put in the little bit of extra effort to care for it.
 
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Well over my reading the last few days I've come to notice that those specific Panasonic Plasmas are the best you can get as far as the picture quality goes.
But for all the good it is I'm still calling it a faulty technology.
Since their inception the HDTVs have been used for more than just watching cable tv. We soon went to PC use, PC gaming, console gaming, blurays , etc.

From what everyone says these are awesome just make sure you don't do anything too long because of image retention. So how is the tech not flawed if there's image retention problems? Even if you watch movies they say make sure you watch 2.35:1 4:3 and diff ratio movies constantly so the black bars don't cause image retention.

Soooo LCD is crappier but I'll be forced to buy one. If you can't fully use something then how good is it really?

Also, I thought Panasonic said they'd still sell Plasma TVs they just won't put any more R&D money into it?

CRT suffered burn-in as well. Not really an issue unless you're talking about a sports bar TV that's running 24 hours a day with a channel logo in the corner.
 
I was having an argument with my dad a while back about his desire for a new TV. He was looking at LED due to the energy cost vs plasma. In the long run it's really a moot point cause it all depends on usage. In his case however plasma may not be a good option cause he does a bunch of stuff with stocks and has those miserable tickers going for ~8 hours per day, every day but sat/sun. Prime sample for IR issues.
 
****, I was going to buy one next year. I might have to but earlier now before there is none. My wife is going to kill me.
 
Was only a matter of time. Plasma while retaining a better image still currently; is old. It's limited, and it hit it's peak. There is literally no room left to improve it. It's heavy, and it's hot. And that can't be changed.

LED/OLED still has a lot more room to grow. There is no point in them continuing to dump R&D into something that won't be around, and sells poorly thanks to lack of common knowledge, and Samsung/Sony driving the market.
 
LED is just backlighting tech for LCD... I get an urge to smack a fool when I hear them thinking that LED is some new hotness, that's sooo much better than a regular LCD(CCFL's tend to have a wider colour gamut, tend to not have halo problems, and depending on the 'LCD' in front can have a FAR superior image to the LED equipped model), and grid backlit LED(edge is for thin for the win, but really is cheap and not so great) equipped LCD's tend to run pretty warm too. Though I guess LED's just don't create any heat, but then why do they have those monster heatsinks for any high intensity usage... :sherlock:

Also the manufacturer makes a huge difference, as well as if you are running it in 'showroom' mode or if you actually bothered to adjust the set...

Samsung Plasma = Hot

Panasonic Plasma = Cool

Anyways...

Wonder what LG and Samsung are going to do. Also 3D on a Plasma just craps all over what any LCD can do, regardless of it's backlighting tech. :bleh:
 
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It was only a matter of time, LCD sets sell better but I thought plasma might stick around a year or two more.

The average plasma usually has a much better pq than the average LCD however, while the top end plasmas usually still hold the pq Crown it's not by much over the top end LCD sets.

I have a G-series plasma set from Panasonic but my Sony HX850 LCD set has better pq. The plasma has better viewing angles and slightly better screen uniformity but the Sony LCD is better in everything else.

I would never buy a plasma again because I buy higher end sets and the pq difference is slim at best. I CANNOT STAND image retention and plasma still has it no matter what set you have, it just varies how long it takes to show up and go away. I cannot game with my plasma because static hud's are visible on my set LONG after depending on the game. I played Bioshock 2 for a few hours a day for a couple days and the IR lasted almost a month! I thought I ruined my expensive TV. I have no worries about this on my Sony and that makes makes a HUGE difference to me.

Lot of people have problems with IR, heat, buzzing, power consumption, size, and input lag with plasmas. I know I won't miss them and I own a good plasma!
 
AFAIK its just Panasonic that is exiting the plasma industry this year.

Other manufacturers still plan to make plasmas next year.
 
my cheap 50" LG plasma buzzes a bit but it only cost about £450 3 years ago and its 1920x1080 image still looks great and programs and films make the buzz inaudible
 
No buzz can be heard from my Panasonic G10.

Only can hear slight humming from the fans, but only if I mute the audio and its dead silent in the room.
 
Plasma is great, but with OLED now here(albeit very expensively for now)... I can't help but feel like it's entire reason for existence is gone with LCD having caught up so much :(
 
CRT suffered burn-in as well. Not really an issue unless you're talking about a sports bar TV that's running 24 hours a day with a channel logo in the corner.

Purportedly, it is better then it used to be, but there is still an issue. This said, now that I've upgraded my TV, and have bought a plasma TV today (though it's a Samsung model), I am finding those stupid channel bugs a tad bit annoying. Especially as I know that the first month, is more critical then latter on.

Here's the thing about them. The channels insist on having them, purportedly so that people will "know what channel they're watching", as if people wouldn't know what channel they tuned into, in the first place. Especially with interactive channel guides, when one's selecting the dang program, the guide tells you anyhow...

But beyond that, it isn't like all these channels are independently operated anyhow. Given media consolidation, there's like 5 multimedia companies that pretty much own all the channels... It's like if you're listening to the radio, and the station is a subsidiary of "Clear Channel". It isn't like changing the station will result in not listening to another "Clear Channel" station, anyhow... Either way, the fricken parent company gets a listener, due to consolidation...

And finally, people watch programs anyhow, more then stations. Who in their right mind would watch a crappy program, because it's on "their channel", but refuse to watch a program they enjoy, if another channel shows it?

It's always been annoying, but given the possibility that it can do nasty things to one's TV, it's no longer just annoying.

As to LED, vs plasma, I intentionally chose NOT to get LED. One of the problems with it, is viewing angle, and no I'm not always sitting on the couch smack in front of the TV either. There are times, I'm watching it while also working on my computer (yes I do multi-task), and it's at a 45 degree angle or more, from head on. Now if we were talking my computer, yes I have a LCD now, that CRT's are gone, but I'm also using the computer from head on. Not so, when watching TV, as I watch it from all different angles, and no I don't want to go turning the thing every time I'm going to be watching it from somewhere else.

Now as to the power, the difference in power, though present, isn't so much that it would be worth spending hundreds MORE up front. By the time one would have payed off the difference in savings one wouldn't even have the set anymore... And a TV bought in 2013, with an energy star 6.0 rating, is generally more energy efficient then something one would have bought 5 or more years ago, unless the picture size difference, is that much larger, that, well... A rated $12 a month for instance (though the 11 cent per KW/hr and 5 hours a day might not apply, NJ for instance is more like 18 cents per KW/hr) and say $8 or $9 rating, for same usage, would take well more then 10 years to make up a $600 difference, etc... My experience from the past, after about 10-12 years, TVs in the past were getting on their last legs, minus the really old vacuum tube sets, like my father had when I was growing up...
 
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No buzz can be heard from my Panasonic G10.

Only can hear slight humming from the fans, but only if I mute the audio and its dead silent in the room.

My G25 buzzes quite a bit when there's a lot of white on the screen, I considered taking it back as low-volume listening was very distracting. It has gotten better over time but still fairly noisy... certainly a problem that plagues quite a few plasmas.

As for the comments about channel logos... I hate them and find no purpose for them at all. I especially can't stand bright white logos which have ruined many a plasma too. Some logos are barely noticeable and others are like neon signs. If you want to help get rid of them contact the company in question and tell them you avoid their channel because or their logo
 
If you understand the tech and know how to take care of it these problems are a non-issue with modern PDPs.
Problem is, most people don't want to put in the little bit of extra effort to care for it.

Some people don't want another household pet to manage. They just want something that throws up a bunch of images in rapid succession.

Any amount of extra effort required for Plasma TV's would be infinitely more than the amount of effort to take care of an LCD TV.
 
Some people don't want another household pet to manage. They just want something that throws up a bunch of images in rapid succession.

Any amount of extra effort required for Plasma TV's would be infinitely more than the amount of effort to take care of an LCD TV.

I guess that's the price we have to pay for superior image quality.

Regardless, taking care of a plasma doesn't really require much work and effort. Its just a matter of knowing what to do, and what not to do.
 
I guess that's the price we have to pay for superior image quality.

Regardless, taking care of a plasma doesn't really require much work and effort. Its just a matter of knowing what to do, and what not to do.

In general, yes, but some sets are more sensitive than others even in the same model/year. I have one of the sensitive ones that gets IR very easily despite being broken in properly and being calibrated... and babied.

My Panny suffers from it, my inlaws LG is burned in and both my sisters and friends Samsung are burned in and these sets are just a few years old and used normally.
 
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