Official AMD Radeon RX 7000 Series (RDNA 3) Thread
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I would be a little surprised if Nvidia has a chiplet design in the pipeline for commercial consumer use to be used in a GUI environment. Hopper is a data center card (I assume) and Lovelace is the commercial card. The problems posed by GPU chiplets are non-issues when it comes to the data center market, which is why Hopper being a chiplet does not need to worry about latency or communication with the CPU. Interesting to note, nonetheless, Hopper is delayed.
A lot of talk about ''Advanced'' node. I think this is being given too much credence for nothing. I think it's just an open-ended question of it could be 6nm, or it could be 5nm.
The way the patent reads is that there will be a single master GPU that communicates to the CPU. This to me suggest that there will be no I/O die. And the logic will and should be the same between the master GPU and slave GPUs. Basically, some redundancy. Not actually a bad thing since there will only be one chip to worry about manufacturing. Now I'm not too sure how each GPU would talk to the Infinity Cache....
A lot of talk about ''Advanced'' node. I think this is being given too much credence for nothing. I think it's just an open-ended question of it could be 6nm, or it could be 5nm.
The way the patent reads is that there will be a single master GPU that communicates to the CPU. This to me suggest that there will be no I/O die. And the logic will and should be the same between the master GPU and slave GPUs. Basically, some redundancy. Not actually a bad thing since there will only be one chip to worry about manufacturing. Now I'm not too sure how each GPU would talk to the Infinity Cache....
LordHawkwind
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Maybe this might enlighten you regarding AMD GPU's in 2021. https://www.techspot.com/news/88121-insiders-claim-sony-accelerate-ps5-production-2021-meet.html
That doesn't even include M$ and Zen 3. RDNA 3 in 2021 in sufficient numbers is a huge ask and one AMD probably won't be able to do.
Another rumour doing the rounds is the 6800/6900XT are just halo products to prove AMD can compete in the enthusiast segment. They never had any intention of producing large numbers so mass production will be centered on 6700/XT which is where the volume and money is. Sounds plausible as why would they produce load of enthusiast cards into a market where they have zero mark share. Just think about it.
if they are going to make 16.8 million to 18 million PS5 consoles in 2021
plus near the same xbox's and then their CPU's
they sure won't have the capacity to do mass production on a even bigger seller like a 6700/XT
plus a 6700/XT is most likely a failed 6800/6900XT chip cut down
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RDNA 2 maybe a stepping stone to RDNA 3 chiplets and they may never make a lot of any RDNA 2 for lack on TSMC production
and RDNA 2 is the biggest of their chips and most likely with the lowest yields so the logical one to cut
but by Q4 the game consoles sales will be over for the most part and or slowed a lot
and chiplets are easer to make and have better yields
so i still think they will hit or be very close to the RDNA 3 roadmap in 2021
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Billy I am putting on the old tin foil hat with all your assumptions!
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not going to see a 3080 all year now
Apparently you ride NV harder than AMD even though you believe AMD is focusing more on consoles than RDNA2, which means they aren't even making many cards.
NV always deserves it
but RDNA2 is crap at mining compared to the 3080
the 5700 xt is better for mining than a 6800 xt or 6900 xt from what i have read so far
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and i'm not happy with AMD but they made the consoles deal 2+ years ago and no one could predict last year
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and it was NV's fault they played games with TSMC and lost
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sorry ampere would have been killer on TSMC lower watts and higher OC
and no mater what it won't on Samsung ever .
and with crapcoin at 33k+ and rising and it doing well mining Samsung will never make enough now
but the infinity cache kills the 6000's for mining and the 3080 is the top mining card on the market now
you won't see a 3080 at MSRP till Bitcoin crashes again it is the 1080 ti again only worse
my 1080 ti Strix went from 779.99 to 1600 bucks 3 weeks after i got it and stayed that way almost till the 2080 ti came out
NV sold a crap ton of 1080 ti's directly to miners
is it odd that the 3080 does so well at mining and is nowhere to be seen but ebay and mining
remember
https://www.coindesk.com/nvidia-disguised-1b-in-fickle-crypto-mining-sales-as-gaming-revenue-lawsuit
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even with low volume the 6000's may be easer to find in a few months
I don't see Samsung 5nm being much better. Their 8nm process is already incredibly inefficient with low yield; there is little chance their 5nm fares much better.
Regardless of what the card would be like on TSMC, at least you can actually get one. Granted it's a pain in the ass, but I'm regularly seeing stock drop. If the option is either a Samsung 8nm with minimal stock vs a TSMC 7nm with no stock (because they're letting consoles eat up all supply) then I'll take the 8nm card every day.
TSMC is completely swamped. This is the issue when you allow one manufacturing company essentially monopolize the market. As much as you all hate Intel, they at least were superior and created competition in that industry. Now you have Samsung who is miles behind, and an Intel that people chastise for 14nm+800, even though the density of their 14nm is really not comparable to what that 14nm started out with. It's an issue blown out of proportion by the market. Honestly unless Intel can get their fabrication back in shape, the industry will be completely ****ed and overpriced because TSMC will have their entire hands wrapped around every single chip maker in the market.
If you think cards were expensive this year, just wait. TSMC is already price-gouging for their 7nm; if things continue on this path, and you thought cards were expensive this year?
you're in for a rude awakening.
acroig
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Possibly yes but you have not addressed TSMC being up to capacity.
doesn't fly .
they had their normal slot and capacity reserved at TSMC till they started playing we want a better price because we are big bad NVidia games
and big bad TSMC told them to go get stuffed " so you don't want it ok we just sold it to AMD .... bye bye "
with their normal slot and capacity and TSMC much better yields they might have been the same or better
acroig
Just another Troll
doesn't fly .
they had their normal slot and capacity reserved at TSMC till they started playing we want a better price because we are big bad NVidia games
and big bad TSMC told them to go get stuffed " so you don't want it ok we just sold it to AMD .... bye bye "
with their normal slot and capacity and TSMC much better yields they might have been the same or better
I don't see Samsung 5nm being much better. Their 8nm process is already incredibly inefficient with low yield; there is little chance their 5nm fares much better.
Regardless of what the card would be like on TSMC, at least you can actually get one. Granted it's a pain in the ass, but I'm regularly seeing stock drop. If the option is either a Samsung 8nm with minimal stock vs a TSMC 7nm with no stock (because they're letting consoles eat up all supply) then I'll take the 8nm card every day.
TSMC is completely swamped. This is the issue when you allow one manufacturing company essentially monopolize the market. As much as you all hate Intel, they at least were superior and created competition in that industry. Now you have Samsung who is miles behind, and an Intel that people chastise for 14nm+800, even though the density of their 14nm is really not comparable to what that 14nm started out with. It's an issue blown out of proportion by the market. Honestly unless Intel can get their fabrication back in shape, the industry will be completely ****ed and overpriced because TSMC will have their entire hands wrapped around every single chip maker in the market.
If you think cards were expensive this year, just wait. TSMC is already price-gouging for their 7nm; if things continue on this path, and you thought cards were expensive this year?
What Nunz said is spot on IMHO.
no
the cards weren't expensive this time that was last time and turing was 12nm
AMD seems to be doing fine with 7nm prices on a lot more parts for a lot longer
no NV screwed the pooch with TSMC and maybe for a long time because the jacket wanted a higher profit margin not for card prices .
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https://www.techpowerup.com/276747/...otted-another-flagship-graphics-card-incoming
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Countries are starting to be more and more concerned about hardware level security and we are starting to see plans to invest large amounts of capital into chip manufacturing research to be able to compete with the likes of TSMC so shorty term TSMC may be ahead but we could start seeing state level competition within the next decade.
I was talking more about the EU and China. US technically has Intel and are putting up foreign businesses plants in their borders we will see how that goes. Hopefully it is not another foxconn