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Freesync (and gsync) are great. It's too bad PC users get screwed out of the wonders of large displays. I mean, when you can get a 65" 4k TV for the same price as a 27/28" monitor you kind of have to shake your head...
 
TVs are too slow for gaming though. response times aren't good enough afaik and being stuck at 60hz is a no-go. once you go high refresh rate you can't go back.

i have a hard time using my predator x34 for anything FPS related because my benq 144hz is that much better. the color reproduction might not be as great (TN vs IPS) but that doesnt make up for the utter smoothness in ... everything. 100hz is a lot better than 60 but it still sucks.
 
Nunz said:
TVs are too slow for gaming though. response times aren't good enough afaik and being stuck at 60hz is a no-go. once you go high refresh rate you can't go back.

i have a hard time using my predator x34 for anything FPS related because my benq 144hz is that much better. the color reproduction might not be as great (TN vs IPS) but that doesnt make up for the utter smoothness in ... everything. 100hz is a lot better than 60 but it still sucks.
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Depends on the TV, and which HDMI port you use. Some models have input lag times down in the 17ms range, not much slower than a Benq 144hz monitor (not sure which model you have the XL2430T was the one I saw). Pixel response times of course depend on the panel technology being used, but there's very few 30Hz-only displays on the market at this point so this is a bit of a non-issue.
 
Glad to hear somebody posting some positive news with an AMD solution. I've been gaming on a HD TV for years and have been satisfied. Of course lower than 60fps doesn't bother me as much as some so long as it feels smooth enough.
 
17ms is massive. The XL2430T has a 1ms response time and that puts it at around 5-6 real world usage I believe? I have the XL2430T funny enough :lol:
 
Nunz said:
17ms is massive. The XL2430T has a 1ms response time and that puts it at around 5-6 real world usage I believe? I have the XL2430T funny enough :lol:
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You're confusing response time and input lag. Response time refers to the ability of an individual pixel to switch from one state to another. Every display has a separate input lag due to signal processing. As I said, a Benq XL2430T was measured to have between 10-17ms input lag on top of its response time.
 
thats the joy of being part of the master race. We can enjoy both(i run both a 65"tv and the acer x34)
 
Higgy10 said:
thats the joy of being part of the master race. We can enjoy both(i run both a 65"tv and the acer x34)
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How does that work? Displays that big you have to sit back a distance, unless you like moving your head all over the place and having neck pain...
 
ShaidarHaran said:
How does that work? Displays that big you have to sit back a distance, unless you like moving your head all over the place and having neck pain...
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quite easy actually, my pc is in the same room as my home theatre. When i use the pc, i sit in a nice chair. When i play on the tv i use a couch.
 
ShaidarHaran said:
You're confusing response time and input lag. Response time refers to the ability of an individual pixel to switch from one state to another. Every display has a separate input lag due to signal processing. As I said, a Benq XL2430T was measured to have between 10-17ms input lag on top of its response time.
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I'm confused why you brought up input lag when I was talking about response times lol, didn't realize you were talking about input lag at first. Anyway, high response times are going to cause ghosting in fast motion situations (FPS are the biggest issue here, unfortunately my favorite genre). I don't know any TV with a low enough response time that doesn't have this issue. Using processing effects to try and alleviate that usually cause noticeable input lag too which is unfortunate.

This still wraps around to the lack of smoothness in 60Hz. Works fine for RPGs and stuff, but anything where I'm moving quickly, even on desktop .. you can feel the difference from 60->120->165.

I wonder how long it'll be before TVs stop pushing resolution and go for faster refresh rates.
 
Nunz said:
I'm confused why you brought up input lag when I was talking about response times lol, didn't realize you were talking about input lag at first. Anyway, high response times are going to cause ghosting in fast motion situations (FPS are the biggest issue here, unfortunately my favorite genre). I don't know any TV with a low enough response time that doesn't have this issue. Using processing effects to try and alleviate that usually cause noticeable input lag too which is unfortunate.

This still wraps around to the lack of smoothness in 60Hz. Works fine for RPGs and stuff, but anything where I'm moving quickly, even on desktop .. you can feel the difference from 60->120->165.

I wonder how long it'll be before TVs stop pushing resolution and go for faster refresh rates.
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I've owned high refresh rate displays before, pixel response is not the most important factor in perceived image quality or responsiveness, even. There are so many factors to delve into it would take far more time than I care to devote to the subject. Suffice it to say, you like your monitor and that's fine. I've used everything from the worst of the worst to the best of the best (save for OLED) and there are distinct differences between each approach. One approach might address pixel response time for example but have horrible color accuracy, lighting, and viewing angles (typical of TN displays) while *still* exhbiting ghosting.

Bottom line: there's no perfect display, you pick what makes the most sense for you.
 
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