GraphEdit Tips and Tricks

rbq said:
Thanks for your response greg. It only happens with the hdtv wonder. I have a samsung ts160 and it tunes fine on 40-1 and 39-1. 40-1 shows up as 9-1 and 39-1 as 4-1. I suspect that it is something to do with the windows or the actual tuner itself.
rbq
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Hi rbq. I and two of my friends bought HDTV Wonders a few weeks ago. We're eperiencing the same problem with CFTO as you've described, audio but no video on 40-1 even though the signal strength shown in WatchHDTV is over 90%.

Did you find a fix for this problem? I've entered a problem ticket on the ATI support web site, but if it's something that can be fixed with graph edit, I'll cancel the ticket.
 
weblurker said:
Hi rbq. I and two of my friends bought HDTV Wonders a few weeks ago. We're eperiencing the same problem with CFTO as you've described, audio but no video on 40-1 even though the signal strength shown in WatchHDTV is over 90%.

Did you find a fix for this problem? I've entered a problem ticket on the ATI support web site, but if it's something that can be fixed with graph edit, I'll cancel the ticket.
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I can watch CFTO in graphedit as 40-4 but if I enter those values into watchhdtv I get a strong signal but no audio or video. In mmc I only get audio. In other words it only works in graphedit!
rbq
 
Picture-in-Picture

Picture-in-Picture

For this you need to use the Video Mixing Renderer. Also you will need proppage.dll registered. I'll use VMR9 here. This also requires you have a basic understanding of GraphEdit and its components already. If not maybe you can try and replicate my dialogs and graph somewhat and get results.

Setup your capture path like usual for each device. ([WDM TV Tuner]->[WDM TV Audio]->WDM Crossbar(s)->WDM Capture->Output). Route the crossbar's internal connections under the Properties on the crossbar.

For my example I will be using my ATI TV Wonder USB 2.0 (RF) and eVGA GeForce 7800GT VIVO (S-Video) card for capture sources.

Connect it like so. Put each capture path to its own VMR stream. In the graph below my main window is the analog TV because that's the only capture device that also supplies audio. I want the audio of my main window and just the video of my PIP source. (I made HD the main window in example 1 just for showing. Example 2 uses analog TV/main, HD/PIP.)

Adjust the VMR9 properties so VMR Input1 (PIP) is small and in the corner. Leave VMR Input0 as-is.

Graph layout:

pip-graphsetup.jpg


Properties:

pip-properties.jpg


VMR9 properties:

VMR Input0:
pip-vmr0.jpg
VMR Input1:
pip-vmr1.jpg


Example:
pip.png

"HDTV" (via S-Video)/NBC on the main window and Analog TV/ABC in the little window.

Example 2:
pip-example2.png

You can even make the PIP translucent by adjusting Alpha on VMR Input1.

I hope this post doesn't appear too large. Dial-up users are going to murder me in my sleep. :)
 
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Surround Sound Graph for ATI HDTV Wonder

Surround Sound Graph for ATI HDTV Wonder

Hi,

I have only installed the necessary HDTV Wonder and SB Audigy 2 (not ZS) drivers and applications. I'm totally new to GraphEdit, but have played with it a little bit and reconstructed the HDTV Wonder graph. It works fine.

When using ATI MMC 9.08 I can select AUDIO option to pass through to CyberLink Audio Renderer (ATI). Doing this allows me to use SPDIF output of Audigy 2 with home theater for surround sound.

Using GraphEdit, I've noticed if I plug in CyberLink Audio Renderer (ATI) then GraphEdit automatically inserts CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI) connected first! Someone mentioned in the forum that CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI) is only stereo sound, correct?

Why can't I find a way to build surround capable graph with GraphEdit and my installed filters? Am I just overlooking the right one, or will I need to install another decoder JUST for GraphEdit surround? :confused:

THANKS!
Shawn
 
I'm not sure why you want to use the Cyberlink Audio Renderer (ATI). Why not use the Default Direct Sound Device? BTW, if I insert the Cyberlink Audio Renderer (ATI), it does not automatically insert the CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI). Still, even if it did, it's a small matter to point to the connecting line and delete it. Then you should be able to insert a DD 5.1 surround compatible decoder and connect it to the Default DirectSound Device. It's possible that even the CyberLink Audio Renderer will work with 5.1, if you fix the decoder first. You can use a different decoder, or there's a hack to get the CyberLink decoder to work, by copying the .sim license file from your fully licensed Cyberlink folder, to the crippled ATI licensed CyberLink folder. Then even the ati version will decode DD 5.1.

J.G.
 
The "Default Direct Sound Device" is connected after the MPEG audio filter, in this case the "CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI)".

With GraphEdit you do have control over the filter and by right-clicking on the filter used you will see the property page for that filter.

The following links should help:
ATI HDTV WONDER - Sound filter options
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1333755420&postcount=88

AC3Filter:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1333942648&postcount=109

GSpot information.
GSpot is used to force filter merit. When used correctly the connections in GraphEdit will do so with the filter you have set to the highest merit for that class automatically when the pin is rendered.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=GSpot
http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

WatchHDTV:
The newer version of WatchHDTV has a nice feature that allows override of the audio and video filters used. Simply create a "decoders.txt" file with notepad in the same location as the program and add the filter names.
The names must match with what is used in GraphEdit but it works like a charm.

AC3Filer

CyberLink Video/SP Decoder
AC3Filter


CyberLink PowerDVD6

CyberLink Video/SP Decoder
CyberLink Audio Decoder


CyberLink ATI

CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (ATI)
CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI)


http://mysite.verizon.net/watchhdtv/home/
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=590020

Greg

rwcx183 said:
I'm not sure why you want to use the Cyberlink Audio Renderer (ATI). Why not use the Default Direct Sound Device? BTW, if I insert the Cyberlink Audio Renderer (ATI), it does not automatically insert the CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI). Still, even if it did, it's a small matter to point to the connecting line and delete it. Then you should be able to insert a DD 5.1 surround compatible decoder and connect it to the Default DirectSound Device. It's possible that even the CyberLink Audio Renderer will work with 5.1, if you fix the decoder first. You can use a different decoder, or there's a hack to get the CyberLink decoder to work, by copying the .sim license file from your fully licensed Cyberlink folder, to the crippled ATI licensed CyberLink folder. Then even the ati version will decode DD 5.1.

J.G.
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Hey guys, not tryinjg to get off topic here..I am new to graph edit but I like it is fun to cennect up these modules and have it do what I want. I can create simple TV plyers and such. I was wondering how do I get S-VIdeo or COmposite in? I have a AIW 9600XT, I have looked and looked and can't seem to find the setting. Also is there a site that deals specifically with this program so a person can learn how to use it completely or is this the place? and I should read through all the info? also I got my graphedit with a codec pack is there a upgrade or updated version? also is there like certain apps and filter that I should have? thx for the info guys I didn't think I would be able to find anyone who could answer these questions...
 
GOT IT!! ok use the cross bar...ok another question..is it possible with one AIW card to have the TV TUNER and one of the AUX_INS enabled same time? such as the composite or the S_video? thx for any help guys..
 
CAT 6.8 and Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition

CAT 6.8 and Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition

Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
ATI All-in-Wonder® X1800 XL 256MB PCI Express®

Display Driver Catalyst Control Center 6.8
WDM Integrated Driver

6-8_xp64_dd_ccc_35180.exe
6-8_xp64_wdm_35180.exe



Yes you can watch TV with the latest ATI drivers just fine.

Direct link to image
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4760/tvgk0.jpg
 
ROBSCIX said:
GOT IT!! ok use the cross bar...ok another question..is it possible with one AIW card to have the TV TUNER and one of the AUX_INS enabled same time? such as the composite or the S_video? thx for any help guys..
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Unfortunately not as the crossbar only allows one video stream
(AIW and VIVO) and one audio stream(for AIW)
 
Trouble with GraphEdit (and WatchHDTV too)

Trouble with GraphEdit (and WatchHDTV too)

Ok, relatively new to all of this but I just got an HDTV wonder and have had no end of issues in getting it to run. I've been trolling around here and a few other sites and have made a lot of updates but so far, I'm not having any luck:

GraphEdit issue: I build the sample ATI HDTV graph and it looks just fine. Only problem I have is trying to set the properties on the Microsoft ATSC Network Provider. I get an error stating that the requested property page could not be displayed. Because of this, I am unable to set the channel for the tuner.

WatchHDTV issue: I know, likely off topic but in case it sheds any light on things, I have created a decoders.txt file with the CyberLink vidio and audio decoders (ATI versions). It comes up ok but if I get a channel that has any content (so not a blank screen b/c the signal is too low) I get a short studder, a picture freeze while audio continues to stutter and then finally, everything crashes and reboots.

I am using an ATI HDTV Wonder with an x800 XT Platinum. XP Pro with SP 2 and the latest updates. DirectX is up to date. I have the 6.9 Catalyst drivers and the latest HDTV wonder drivers and decoders (never installed anything from the CD directly, only had it in to do the verification for the decoders installed from ATI).

I have not seen anything in the debug from WatchHDTV and am unsure how to turn anything else on from a debugging standpoint.

Any thoughts?
 
You must register the graphedit DLL.

GraphEdit Property Page Issue

For any who are having issues with the newer DXDSK showing property pages with GraphEdit you must register the proppage.dll first.

Find the proppage.dll and register it.

regsvr32 \dxsdk_feb2005_extras\extras\Extras\DirectShow\Utilities\proppage.dll

Now the graph property pages should work fine.

BTW: This is on the first page of this thread...

 
Thanks Grog, I was just about to respond that I saw this on the front page. Registered it and now I can alter the props. Down side is now GraphEdit is working just how I had described my issue with WatchHDTV. So still stuck with a constantly crashing system. Forgot to mention that I also have the latest .Net and Direct X updates as well.
 
FM Radio with AIW X800XT in Windows 98SE

FM Radio with AIW X800XT in Windows 98SE

Hello all, :)

I just made my first graph, so that I could finally (see my other thread) listen to FM Radio with my AIW X800XT, while doing some legacy things in Windows 98SE! :drool:

Here it is:
FMRadio.JPG


Remember to set the Tuning Mode to FM Radio and
in the ATI AV Crossbar Properties to associate the Audio Decoder Out (Pin 3) to the Audio Tuner In (Pin 4).

This is, of course, :p while using the WDM SP Drivers (and MMC 9.03 for TV and DVD)! ;)

Freddy :)
 
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Stereo while using MMC TVOD (Timeshifting)

Stereo while using MMC TVOD (Timeshifting)

Hello again, :)

this one is almost too simple to post here, ;) but it nevertheless solves a problem a lot of us AIW users are having:

StereoTVOD.JPG


Now you can finally keep Stereo sound while using TVOD! :cool: All you have to do is assign a Shortcut key (or even a RW key) to this GraphEdit file and every time you start TVOD (Timeshifting) and the sound turns to Mono, you push this key and... you have Stereo again! :drool:

Freddy :)
 
ATI x1950xt

ATI x1950xt

ok this card has vivo and i have my cable box hooked up to the svideo input
i need some help building a graph to view tv or to enable it in mce. mce says no tuners present. i can get a picture with windows movie maker and windows media encoder and a program called asus virtual vcr (pvr type software from my old 9800xt card.) sorry if this has been coverd i saw one with the x800 vivo card but the graph photos were gone.
 
Generalized graphs?

Generalized graphs?

Hello all,

I'm new to the forum and I have a little experience with GraphEdit. Something that has been a problem for me for quite a while is that .grf files can't be ported from one system to another (to my knowledge). Is there some way to create generalized graphs using the "friendly name" for the capture filters or can you modify the GUIDs/CLSIDs in the registry?

I have been in many situations where I would like to send a graph file to someone else or create a graph on a single system and copy the .grf to other systems with the same hardware. How can I accomplish this? Is there a guide that I have missed somewhere on this forum that explains capture drivers and .grf files in depth?

I would love to be able to write a software tool that could either automatically create a graph for certain capture devices, or modify a graph for use on other systems. Unfortunately, I don't have a great understanding of the way capture works in the Windows registry.

I have read through most of this thread and I've already learned a great deal. Thanks in advance to everyone for their help with this question!

Scott
 
PowerDVD-7 with HDTV Wonder

PowerDVD-7 with HDTV Wonder

Well I broke down and bought the newer PowerDVD 7 tonight.

So here are the graphs.

Simple HDTV Wonder graph using PDVD7 Video and Audio filters


HDTV Wonder and AIW X1800-XL using PIP with captions.



Other notes
Using GSPOT I also increased the merit of the "CyberLink Audio Decoder (PDVD7)" filter so applications will use it as the default over the ATI version. The "CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (PDVD7)" merit did not require changing on my system.

For those who are using WatchHDTV here is the "decoders.txt" which may be used to force the Cyberlink filters over the ATI ones when using WatchHDTV.

http://watchhdtv.net/default.aspx


decoders.txt
Code: 
CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (PDVD7)
CyberLink Audio Decoder (PDVD7)

Direct Link to Images
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2189/hdtvwonderge1.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6431/hdtvwonde2rkw9.jpg
 
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