Can anyone else who works in tech support relate?

JWhipple

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The company that I work for makes and sells software. The division that I work for concentrates on healthcare related applications, so, mainly hospitals and other healthcare facilities are the customers that we deal with on a daily basis.

I am the manager of a technical support team. My team is comprised of 18 team members, no supervisors, and me being the lone manager.

We staff 24/7, 365.


In the past few months for the first time since I started working here as a grunt, I dreaded coming in to work. I sat and thought about it for a while, and realized that there’s a lot that just “ain’t right” where I work.


Before I even consider starting to look for another job, I wanted to get some input from anyone else who works in the technical support field to see if what I am complaining about is common to every job, or if it’s just some crappy policies here. Also, would like to hear response from someone who would potentially be a customer for a company that would have these issues.


There are a number of issues that plague our group – most of which are call metrics.
We are expected to answer calls in 2 minutes or less. I can understand that one, as I have had to call technical support lines before and sat on hold for 45 minutes or more.


The problem though is that if everyone is on the phone, I have to make my employees put customer A on hold to answer the call from customer B. This is not by my choice – but rather due to mandates put before me by upper management. What good does that do? It put you in a situation where you could potentially already be working on a down server and then get another call with yet another down server. Now BOTH customers are going to be pissed – and rightfully so!


That’s just one of many issues. Here are some really hot ones that have got me a bit bothered.


Issues:
1) Staffing Levels. At the end of March, my team’s head-count was reduced by 2 due to “corporate downsizing”. This was immediately preceded by 2 persons having been terminated due to going onto long-term disability. Prior to losing anyone, our work-load was enough to justify at bare minimum of 10 more FTEs (full time employees). At this time we are pulling the weight of a fully loaded semi-truck with the power of a Yugo.

2) At least half of my resources are remote and obligated to go to customer sites for break-fix activities. Because of this, I can not estimate how many people I will have working towards accomplishing my team’s goals for more than 1 hour at a time.

3) Because of the staffing level issues, not a single person on my team is able to use all of their company allotted personal-time-off. We are allowed to roll-over 40 hours of PTO to the next year. The average member of my team had in excess of 90 hours left-over last year – 50 hours of which they lost and will never be able to recover or receive compensation for. To allow them to use all of their time would further reduce daily staffing levels to a point where we would add a few more rounds of ammunition into the gun we’re using to shoot ourselves in the foot with.

4) Constantly shifting priorities. This would not be an issue if we had the staffing levels that we should. Today our priority is hold times. Yesterday it was giving extra attention to customer X who is threatening to throw us out due to a problem that THEY caused and refuse to fess up to and then even though the problem has been isolated to something that we have no control over, they refuse to fix it. Tomorrow it will most likely be reducing the number of unaddressed trouble tickets that came in today that we never got a chance to work on because we had to concentrate on reducing hold times.

5) Software development is miserable. Our development teams are good at only one thing – working hard to avoid having to do work. Questions are responded to with questions. They have no idea how the software is used. They have no idea how the software is supposed to operate.

6) Software updates are only made when there are minor changes in code required. We have MAJOR bugs in the software that have existed since I started here 8+ years ago but when you mention these problems to any of the developers, you get the canned, generic response of, “We’re not aware of that problem,” even though it has been documented and escalated a bare minimum of 50 times in the last year alone.

7) The lies that are told to customers are inexcusable. At this moment, there are at least 10 customers that have been told by senior VP level persons, “We take this problem very seriously and it is our number one priority to get this fixed.”

8) Sales persons misinforming customers or ball-faced lying to customers to make the sale, then raising holy hell with technical support when we tell the customer the truth – “No, our application can not do that.” Nothing is done to reprimand the sales person(s) for this and it has been happening since I started here.

9) A service is sold to customers on the premise that it will alert us to any problems with their servers and allow us to proactively respond and address the problem. The last opportunity that anyone has had to look at these notifications is over a week ago, as we are too busy answering calls and doing everything else that we are supposed to do. So, we’re basically taking their money for a service that they aren’t getting. If we were to monitor these notifications as regularly as the customers are expecting us to based on how this was sold to them, we would effectively cut our phone coverage in half. Of course, this would make the hold times go through the roof!

10) The average person on my team is violating company policies prohibiting working during your personal time and prohibiting more than 40 hours a week of work. These policies make no sense to me, since we are all salaried employees, but your average Joe/Jane puts in 20-30 hours a week or their own time trying to help us accomplish our mission. No – we have no ridiculous mission statement.

11) Upper-management members are a bunch of save-asses. Regardless of how unethical something is, they will do it if it makes them look good or keeps the customer off their backs.
 
Sounds fimiliar. I don't work in tech support.. but I remember working at a product based solutions company as a dev.

People will lie cheat do anything to sell , with bugs or not!
 
i used to work in tech support for an isp, and most of that sounds right. it was alright when i first started, but then the company expanded and we weren't getting enough staff in, and we were expected to support more things without proper training, and in the end it was too much for me so i quit to concentrate on my studies.
 
Sounds fairly typical. I worked in a very similar environment to that, when I first graduated Uni. You have a good grasp of the problems and challenges your team faces.
Break it down into what can be addessed and what can't. Use the metrics to demonstrate how you need more resources/FTE's.
Find specific incidences of good performance in your employess and publically praise them; even if theres nothing the company can do in terms of a bonus or extra time off, public recognition is worth a lot to morale.
Where issues or complaints are raised by Sales misrepresenting or lack of knowledge, take the specific metrics of that issue and demonstrate to your boss (in writing) how this negatively impacted your team. Ask for it to be raised with the sales team.
Focus on your team, and issues you can fix. If you go to other teams with examples of their mistakes, failures etc. all you'll get back is 'lets see you do it then!' or 'dont you have anything better to do?' responses.
Remember that changes take time. You can effect change, but you need to find the pain points - i.e. where the money isn't being generated. This is always difficult for support as they are not a revenue generating department. Business managers and Sales managers will always argue "they can bring new customers in faster than they can be kept happy, so why bother and anyway how much money does retention cost us?"
Be careful to offer suggestions or methods for improvement offering cricitism or highlighting a problem.
 
You have my sympathy. I could not survive in the corporate world.:nope:
I'm lousy at politics and cya blame the other guy stuff.

My biz is brick and mortar. Contracts are pretty detailed in stage completion dates with penalty's levied against me if those dates are not met. My customers usually have an independent consultant to monitor site progress and they are pretty sharp for the most part.

There is just no room for shining a customer on or making excuses for failing to deliver. I like it that way. Black and white with no gray area.
 
I feel for you. I work in tech support and from what you describe you could almost be working at the same place I am, only I get all the bs that comes with working in local government as well :(

I'd certainly think about moving on, there are decent places to work out there.
 
feel free to PM me and we can have a chat offline about this. Will give you my details if you so require.

PS,I know exactly where you come from

stiff
 
I also feel for you dude! Many people are in very similar situations to you.. this is how corporate America operates unfortunately.

Our workload increased tremendously, and we did not increase staff. Instead, it was "expected" that the staff would pick up the slack. Other people I worked with got stressed out and quit, one dude a few years ago actually had a stroke and died! Still, my company did not hire more people.

Eventually, I began to develop a "don't give a s**t" attitude at work, and it was the best thing I could have ever done. Corporations rely on employee's to do work at home, work long hours, skip vacations to work..etc.. Purposely! Because this saves them money by not having to hire additional staff. This maximizes their profits. At the end of the day, all any corporation cares about is "maximizing share holder profits" and they will do anything and everything to achieve that goal. Even if this means lie, over work employee's, under staff departments...etc.

The company I work for had over $36 billion in net sales last year, yet had the ball's to cut fuel allowances, cut medical benefits, cut retirement, cut the people I immediately work with in half... yet our workload has doubled since last year.

It's all bull sh*t! There are some greedy mofo's out there. But this type of corporate mentality is pretty much across most of the fortune 500 companies.

I'm single, have no kids, have money in reserves just in case, and wouldn't mind a career change. So I took lately a "don't care" atitude towards things. I figure, the worst that can happen is I get layed off, and receive 6 months paid vacation via unemployment. Since I've developed this attitude, I feel so much better and actually enjoy life more now!

As soon as even the remotest hint of stress of overloading comes along, I stop what I'm doing and take a break. If anyone asks, I tell them straight up, I'm overloaded and stressed. I let emails and paperwork stack up and overflow on my desk. Projects days late (due to unrealistic deadlines and my refusal to work past 8 hours a day anymore) and my manager gets frustrated, but they won't fire me.

I don't care if people at work don't think I'm pitching in and a "team player" anymore. If being a team player means 60+ hour work weeks, working 6-7 days in a row, taking work home, and forfeiting my vacation time. Then yes, I most certainly am NOT a team player :lol:

But you know what. When everyone else is working late, bringing work home with them, missing their kids grow up and burning them selves out daily; I'm enjoying life to the fullest with my new outlook on things!

I recommend trying to develop a "don't give a sh*t" attitude also. Obviously if you are married, have kids or are in financial trouble, this may be hard. But you need to take care of yourself at the end of the day. Don't let corporations abuse you to maximize their profits. This is what ALL of this boils down too.. :mad:
 
As soon as even the remotest hint of stress of overloading comes along, I stop what I'm doing and take a break. If anyone asks, I tell them straight up, I'm overloaded and stressed. I let emails and paperwork stack up and overflow on my desk. Projects days late (due to unrealistic deadlines and my refusal to work past 8 hours a day anymore) and my manager gets frustrated, but they won't fire me.

I don't care if people at work don't think I'm pitching in and a "team player" anymore. If being a team player means 60+ hour work weeks, working 6-7 days in a row, taking work home, and forfeiting my vacation time. Then yes, I most certainly am NOT a team player :lol:

But you know what. When everyone else is working late, bringing work home with them, missing their kids grow up and burning them selves out daily; I'm enjoying life to the fullest with my new outlook on things!

I recommend trying to develop a "don't give a sh*t" attitude also. Obviously if you are married, have kids or are in financial trouble, this may be hard. But you need to take care of yourself at the end of the day. Don't let corporations abuse you to maximize their profits. This is what ALL of this boils down too.. :mad:

QFT!

I did all of the above after only a few months working at my company. I get paid ****, i'm under appreciated, and sick and tired of saving ppl's asses. I clock out at 5 almost EVERY day (think ive stayed past 5:10 no more then 5 times over the past year), and am usually the first or second person to clock out. When asked to come to work earlier then 9 i usually come up with a way to dodge it, because I enjoy sleep a lot more then the people I work with.

I don't play the typical office politcs game. I won't kiss ass (which bugs my supervisor), I won't sugar coat issues, and I refuse to pander to the partners. I'm also not afraid to go toe-to-toe with my supervisor when he starts copping an attitude (but he won't dare tell upper management because he's notorious for having temper-tantrums). If you don't like the work I do, and the amount of money/downtime I've saved you then find someone else who will work for peanuts and put the effort into it that i do.

I have a wife and stepdaughters but I still have a "don't give a sh*t" attitude because I know I can find another job, and unemployment still pays.

A job is meant to enhance your life, not be your life. You have to be able to deal with yourself as a person before you can effectively deal with others around you, both personal and professional.
 
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A lot of people confuse not giving a **** with seperating personal and professional life; and confuse working late, taking work home, with career development.

I get paid to give a **** 8-5; outside of that I am entitled to TOIL and when recommending a course of action will only consider non-working hours when it is of a large benefit to the project, users and company.
 
A lot of people confuse not giving a **** with seperating personal and professional life; and confuse working late, taking work home, with career development.

I get paid to give a **** 8-5; outside of that I am entitled to TOIL and when recommending a course of action will only consider non-working hours when it is of a large benefit to the project, users and company.

I give a sh*t about my network, my servers, and workstations/laptops. I am paid to give a sh*t about those, and I work my ass off to ensure they function properly. I don't give a sh*t about all the petty bullsh*t that goes on around the office, I certainly don't "Take one for the team" EVER, because it doesn't benefit me, my pacheck, or career advancement; just because the partners think that this company is important and everyone should do **** for the company before themselves doesn't mean I will. I have my set of general tasks and projects and follow them strictly.
 
My boss asked me if I wanted a laptop.. said no thank you!. Because that means you can work at home in the evenings.If I leave work.. I leave work @ work.
 
i just worked 16 hours onsite. did a 5 hour on-call and now i'm headed back in.

every place is pretty much as you described. but it pays the bills.
 
Pretty much everything you say is just simply how call centers operate.

I have done technical support for several ISP's, Rogers Cable, AOL, Sprint, as well as customer service for several different companies, including Equifax (contracted out to 3rd party call center), Capital One, and once again Sprint.

I absolutely despise the call center industry in general, as middle management are usually less competent than the front line agents themselves (no offense and there are of course exceptions) and put very little pride into what they do, and the upper-middle management for example ops managers are usually such extreme spin-talking corporate whores that I want to vomit on their shoes. A major portion of their job is to find ways to cut back on expenses, which means the customer loses and the grunts are almost ways having to juggle between providing really good service and trying to not get fired. Because of this theres always high amounts of churn... I dont understand why these companies dont hire more educated and experienced staff and pay them more, instead of setting salaries near entry level. Ive seen fast food places pay more than call centers a few times.

Unless you have an MBA and want to get into upper management and enjoy spinning facts and numbers to make your pie charts look better to get your quarterly bonus and free blackberry, I highly recommend finding a new line of work for your own mental health. People who actually put a little pride into what they do and care about their own personal integrity dont usually last very long in these places, as its all about playing the system to make your stats look the best.

edit: yes the software itself and its support is often extremely miserable... Rogers Cable for example, uses somthing called Supersystem Graphical Interface, which was originally a 16bit dos application that was created in the mid 90s, and has been patched about a million times. It often crashed during the middle of a call, and took about 3-4 minutes to load... while your customer was on hold, affecting your metrics. other places I worked had web-based tools, sometimes so miserable that they didnt even have any confirmation messages that the changes you were making were actually applied... at Sprint, during my training even, I shadowed with agents who clicked almost randomly through the systems and often failed to actually do what they were asked to do... we were told during training that it was a very important job requirement to leave notes on every.single.call ,but yet on the floor probably about half the calls I witnessed had no notes left on the account. Its very common for agents to play the system to the point of it being laughable.
 
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My boss asked me if I wanted a laptop.. said no thank you!. Because that means you can work at home in the evenings.If I leave work.. I leave work @ work.

I'm tempted to ask for an AirCard when I become head of this branch in a few months. Because then I don't have to come in as early, and I can use the AirCard for personal use too.
 
Good God... :eek:

I'm really sorry JWhipple, that sounds like it'll take a huge toll on both your physical and mental health. And to the rest of you that shared your similar stories, man. You guys are tough.

I honestly don't think I could deal with the kind of crap you guys are talking about. My goal work-wise is to be as independant as I can. Call my own shots, be my own boss, and if I have a business where I hire employees, I'll treat them fairly with respect and expect the same from them. I know being freelance means getting really good at what I do in order to ensure a steady income, while a 9-to-5 job will ensure a monthly income, but I won't be able to take what you guys are going through for even 1 month before I explode and tell the management to go f*ck themselves. I'm also the kind of person who likes having calm and equilibrium around me, and if my workspace had people who were stressed out and upset, I'd do all that I can to try help them improve their work experience. If they're stubborn or my assistance would be stifled by management, I don't need that negative karma.

Seriously, you guys are real troopers.
 
Strangely, I seem to have landed at a decent call center here. I'm currently on medical leave with virtually no questions asked aside from "Do you think you'll be back in two weeks? We can't hold your shift preference beyond that, so if you're gone longer you might not get the same shift back." They focus on the stats, but they like to use a carrot instead of a stick with lots of incentives for making the metrics, lots of OT incentives when it comes down to a crunch, etc. They even have a draw for an HDTV (40-something inch) at the end of the month just for making the target for "Issue Resolved" (about 80%).

The client end of it is a little more ridiculous, with updates that will take the enterprise down for half a day and an information system that is next to useless unless you know the exact wording that the data entry person/document owner decided to use for the issue you are looking for. Yet we are mandated to use it on every call (and keep the call under 450 seconds and not sound like an idiot when you don't magically know the title of the help document you are looking for).
 
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