Ati releases Catalyst, nVidia counters with Cg....

[barnaby]

Hmm... ati and nVidia are always trying to outdue each other right away...

All the Ati fans were SUPER excited about getting a new set of drivers, so what does nVidia do? they release an entire language for coding graphics... talk about a c0ck block...


discuss... BTW, my post is not intended as a flame towards Ati, rather just telling the facts..

go to either nVidia's site, or hardocp, hothardware (w/ interview w/ David Kirk, nv30 hints included), bjorn3d, etc, if you don't know what Cg is all about..

and no, it's not propietary, and will work with radeons too...

 

[CainSyris]

I was marveling at the bias of rage3d's frontpage by not including even one link to the exciting new technology that is Cg that will likely result in an industry shift to better graphics for all. Not just nV cards.

And what is Rage3d obsessed with? A new set of drivers that doesn't even work on Powered by ATI cards. Wow.

I mean, unless its an article about nV getting smoked, it will never be on the frontpage of Rage3d, even if it is nV doing something for the whole of the graphics industry.

And no, they aren't doing it selflessly, they are doing it selfishly, to ensure that the problems that developers had in reaching DX8-level graphics do not repeat with the launch of DX9. That's selfish gain-motivation, but its motivation (that like our government) helps all.

And before you start, the compiler Cg is Open Source. All ATI has to do is develop their own compiler. So yes, its as exciting a technology for ATI as it is for nV, even if it was made by nV and Microsoft. (Doesn't that make you wonder about how ultra-compatible to DX9 the nV30 is?)

There are exciting times ahead. Instead of reflecting on that, we have Rage3d posting three reviews of new drivers, new tabs, and a new skin for the media player. Wow. That seems mindblowingly limited.

I wonder if nV was leading the charge of an army against an invading alien force to save the world with men and women from ATI quietly among the forces, would Rage3d bother to post THAT on the frontpage?

 

[barnaby]

Yes, this is ALOT bigger of an announcement then the catalyst drivers.. while the drivers are an added plus, this will be ALOT more influential for the graphics market.. And this includes ATI users, since it's an open source language, that work with ANY programmable gpu..

yea, the 100% compatibility with Cg, and DX9, makes me wonder exactly how much more programmable the nv30 is going to be.. it almost sounds like nVidia had a bigger helping hand in DX9 then everyone thought..

 

[Rancidm]

Actually, it was known that Cg would be announced today a while ago. It's actually Ati who's trying to take away Nvidia's thunder by releasing the drivers.

And on the CG matter, I'm a little skeptical about it. It certainly *sounds* like a good idea, but Nvidia is a company who's out to make money, not help people. There must be something in it for them and whatever it is probably doesn't bode well for competitors.

 

[barnaby]

Actually, it was known that Cg would be announced today a while ago. It's actually Ati who's trying to take away Nvidia's thunder by releasing the drivers.

And on the CG matter, I'm a little skeptical about it. It certainly *sounds* like a good idea, but Nvidia is a company who's out to make money, not help people. There must be something in it for them and whatever it is probably doesn't bode well for competitors.

good point, however simply by making this language, and giving it out for FREE, is kinda like free advertising... it's brand name recognition.. All the developers, will think of nVidia when the make a game.. it's like a subconscious marketing ad...

now, take that coupled with probably some special way it'lll work with the nv30, and you get a winner...

 

[ATI LoVeR 8500]

I was marveling at the bias of rage3d's frontpage by not including even one link to the exciting new technology that is Cg that will likely result in an industry shift to better graphics for all. Not just nV cards.

And what is Rage3d obsessed with? A new set of drivers that doesn't even work on Powered by ATI cards. Wow.

I mean, unless its an article about nV getting smoked, it will never be on the frontpage of Rage3d, even if it is nV doing something for the whole of the graphics industry.

And no, they aren't doing it selflessly, they are doing it selfishly, to ensure that the problems that developers had in reaching DX8-level graphics do not repeat with the launch of DX9. That's selfish gain-motivation, but its motivation (that like our government) helps all.

And before you start, the compiler Cg is Open Source. All ATI has to do is develop their own compiler. So yes, its as exciting a technology for ATI as it is for nV, even if it was made by nV and Microsoft. (Doesn't that make you wonder about how ultra-compatible to DX9 the nV30 is?)

There are exciting times ahead. Instead of reflecting on that, we have Rage3d posting three reviews of new drivers, new tabs, and a new skin for the media player. Wow. That seems mindblowingly limited.

I wonder if nV was leading the charge of an army against an invading alien force to save the world with men and women from ATI quietly among the forces, would Rage3d bother to post THAT on the frontpage?

If you haven't noticed Rage3D doesn't post anything on the front page that is not ATi related. I don't think they even posted about the AthlonXP processors being released. That's just the way this site is. It's for ATi stuff only. So, do us a favor and shut up.

 

[N-Rage]

HighLevel shading Language is in the works for both OpenGL2.0 and Direct3D9.0 for quite some time. I wouldnt be surprised if Cg is part of the D3D9.0 Specs, or a derive of it.
Nvidia has big Influence, but not that big that it could compete with either a OpenGL or DirectX Standard.

Um yes, as long as I dint understood the purpose of Cg wrong... this is just a Margeting gig to show that they worked together with MS on DirectX 9.0.

 

[barnaby]

If you haven't noticed Rage3D doesn't post anything on the front page that is not ATi related. I don't think they even posted about the AthlonXP processors being released. That's just the way this site is. It's for ATi stuff only. So, do us a favor and shut up.

but his point was that this CONCERNS ATI as well.. Cg doesn't care about the hardware just the api's... if you have the correct compiler, then it will make use of specific hardware.. that's the point of this... it's OPEN SOURCE AND WORKS ON ALL PROGRAMABLE GPU'S...

so, you would think that rage3d would mention it, since it will be affecting how games use the radeon's hardware in the future.. and without support from the Ati fans on the rage3d forums, how will any good compiliers get written for the r300?? something to think about..

 

[Ostsol]

HighLevel shading Language is in the works for both OpenGL2.0 and Direct3D9.0 for quite some time. I wouldnt be surprised if Cg is part of the D3D9.0 Specs, or a derive of it.
Nvidia has big Influence, but not that big that it could compete with either a OpenGL or DirectX Standard.

Um yes, as long as I dint understood the purpose of Cg wrong... this is just a Margeting gig to show that they worked together with MS on DirectX 9.0.

Actually, it's ATI that was working with MS on DX9. I'm hoping that NVidia's Cg will become part of the DirectX 10 spec, though. It's quite a noteworthy advancement in in industry that must be standardized so it can be used by all rather than just a single company.

 

[barnaby]

HighLevel shading Language is in the works for both OpenGL2.0 and Direct3D9.0 for quite some time. I wouldnt be surprised if Cg is part of the D3D9.0 Specs, or a derive of it.
Nvidia has big Influence, but not that big that it could compete with either a OpenGL or DirectX Standard.

Um yes, as long as I dint understood the purpose of Cg wrong... this is just a Margeting gig to show that they worked together with MS on DirectX 9.0.

it's not meant to replace/compete w/ DX or OGL.. it's meant to be used to create and effect thru simple code.. then it'll port it to either DX or OGL, then to specific hardware... it takes out ALL of the hard work of writing assembly code for dx or ogl hardware features in vid cards...

think of it like sending an email.. all you do is type of the email, and hit send, but in reality that little message has to go thru numerous protocols/applications/hardware to work properly..

imagine if you had to do EVERY step needed to send an email manually... you would never ****ing do it.. that's why we have email programs that do it for us...

so, Cg would be like email program, and all the underlaying network protocals would be like DX or OGL, and finally, the network physical connection would be like the vid card..

see how it works now? and being that it's ALL open source, and will be seemless to hardware since it only really cares about DX and OGL, it's good for all.. now, there will be special optimization for specific hardware of course, but at the very least it will write code that will work on DX or OGL compatible hardware..

also this is 100% compatible with DX9, so it will work hand in hand with it..