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[shrike126]

M2 Pro does have better sustained performance because it has a fan and wont throttle as fast.

Did you take into consideration that you need to upgrade the M2 Air and M2 13 to 512GB HD to get the fast HDs? Speeds are halved for the 256GB version.

I dont anticipate doing long heavy work loads on the mac so I am not really considering the 13 Pro M2. However, I would want 16gb and 512GB(for the fast speeds) and that brings it to somewhere around 1600 bucks. But then if I am going to spend that much money Im within shooting distance of the Base 14 MacBook Pro which murders them both and has a better screen.

Apple very carefully plots their pricing to get people to go up models. Bastards. I may end up with the M2 Air with 16gb and 512gb and just deal with it.

I saw that on the 256GB vs 512GB versions. Which, if I remember right, the 512GB MacBook Air M2 is $1500 and the similar 512GB MacBook Pro was $1500 as well (so I don't know why I mentioned the $1200-1300 price range earlier since in my mind they end up at the same price once you get the bigger SSD). So I guess, given that they're the same price either way, the MacBook Pro just flat out wins?

And yeah, right around there you're at that 14" Pro so maybe... ****... yup, this is why I haven't pulled the trigger on anything since you start at $1199 and then immediately, on your own, without any salesperson's help, you've talked yourself up to that $1600 range.

 

[logical]

I saw that on the 256GB vs 512GB versions. Which, if I remember right, the 512GB MacBook Air M2 is $1500 and the similar 512GB MacBook Pro was $1500 as well (so I don't know why I mentioned the $1200-1300 price range earlier since in my mind they end up at the same price once you get the bigger SSD). So I guess, given that they're the same price either way, the MacBook Pro just flat out wins?

And yeah, right around there you're at that 14" Pro so maybe... ****... yup, this is why I haven't pulled the trigger on anything since you start at $1199 and then immediately, on your own, without any salesperson's help, you've talked yourself up to that $1600 range.

Heres the only other thing to consider (or maybe not depending on if you care) The Pro 13 uses the old design which still has the touch bar which apple has discontinued. At least the air has the new look(like the 14) and comes in that sweet midnight color

 

[shrike126]

Heres the only other thing to consider (or maybe not depending on if you care) The Pro 13 uses the old design which still has the touch bar which apple has discontinued. At least the air has the new look(like the 14) and comes in that sweet midnight color

All really excellent points.

Do we like the touchbar? Do you get touchID without the touchbar to login on the Air?

 

[logical]

All really excellent points.

Do we like the touchbar? Do you get touchID without the touchbar to login on the Air?

Touchbar is ok if you can integrate it into your work flow. Most people could not figure out how it would be useful. It does have TouchID though.

 

[Silent-Runner]

 

[Lupine]

if they would have gone usb c i would have bought day one

i may still


but i hate the lightning port

Interestingly, reading the review comments at ars, there are quite a few people that prefer lightning. This was a big surprise to me.

I too was hoping for USB C on both the iPhone and new airpods. Seems that this would have been the perfect opportunity. Assuming the 15 comes with USB C as expected, that means we're back to multiple charge cables until the Airpod Pros get another update.

 

[Lupine]

I can actually type/swipe on this way easier also.
I’m not sure if it’s because the keyboard is bigger, iOS 16,
or the hardware is more sensitive. it’s so accurate now.
I’d literally would have to edit my 12pro sentence’s 2-4 times just to make
it look like I’m not a reject. Lol

The other thing is talk to text. Again I’m not sure if it’s iOS 16
or just better hardware. Maybe the mic, i don’t know?
I wouldn’t even use it on the 12 pro it was so bad.

Did you go from 12 Pro to 14 Pro, or Max to Max?

I'm still waffling on the size issue. Currently have a 12 Pro.

 

[bill dennison]

Interestingly, reading the review comments at ars, there are quite a few people that prefer lightning. This was a big surprise to me.

I too was hoping for USB C on both the iPhone and new airpods. Seems that this would have been the perfect opportunity. Assuming the 15 comes with USB C as expected, that means we're back to multiple charge cables until the Airpod Pros get another update.

i got one truck that is still wired carplay and i am always cleaning lightning cables male plug or replacing them
and unpluging and repluging

i didn't get that in my USB C note 8

they are talking about fully wireless maybe
if they do i have to replace a Kenwood head unit

 

[Lupine]

i got one truck that is still wired carplay and i am always cleaning lightning cables male plug or replacing them
and unpluging and repluging

i didn't get that in my USB C note 8

they are talking about fully wireless maybe
if they do i have to replace a Kenwood head unit

One comment:

For me, I wish USB-C wasn't so rubbish.

I have seven Lightning iOS devices of various ages. None of them have problems with cables falling out of the port.

iPad Air (2020)? Sometimes, I plug it in to charge and then it either doesn't seat properly or unseats itself. I come back and it says, 'Hullo. You should've charged me.'

I'm leaning towards unseats itself. Sometimes I foolishly try to use my dependable wired headphones with the USB-C headphone adapter and it keeps wiggling loose. If I'm attempting a PUBG session, it's even worse because unlike a headphone popping out of a headphone jack, the USB-C adapter requires a second or two to start making sound again, which is less than helpful during firefights.

Perhaps I am just unlucky and have the only bad USB-C port in the world but compared to the seven other devices quietly working via Lightning since 2012, I'm skeptical.

Myself, we just switched over to iPhone from android, and have only had our airpods since last Christmas. So I don't have any real feedback on lightning other than its sure a lot better than the old micro-usb.

Conversely, USB-C has been just fine for several years now (my OnePlus 6 & 8, my wife's Pixel 3a & iPad Pro 11).

 

[Android1]

Did you go from 12 Pro to 14 Pro, or Max to Max?

I'm still waffling on the size issue. Currently have a 12 Pro.

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Myself, we just switched over to iPhone from android, and have only had our airpods since last Christmas. So I don't have any real feedback on lightning other than its sure a lot better than the old micro-usb.

Conversely, USB-C has been just fine for several years now (my OnePlus 6 & 8, my wife's Pixel 3a & iPad Pro 11).

Do you think that you handle a wider, heavier phone than your OnePlus 8?

Lightning is only 480 Mbps, the same speed as USB 2.0. Aside from the incompatibility with non-Apple devices, that is the biggest problem with it.

 

[bill dennison]

iOS 16.0.2 Update Arrives with Camera Fix which Many Thought Needed a Device Replacement - Download Now and Use Your New iPhone Normally
Lately, it came to everyone's attention that there was a problem with the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max. Whenever using the camera in a third-party app, the camera would start to make grinding noises. Apple said that it can fix the issue with a software update, and today that update has been released - iOS 16.0.2.

https://wccftech.com/download-ios-16-0-2-released-with-iphone-14-camera-fixes/
fixed

 

[Tyr-Sog]

Did you go from 12 Pro to 14 Pro, or Max to Max?

I'm still waffling on the size issue. Currently have a 12 Pro.

I went from the 6.1" 12pro to the Max. I was a bit worried after reading
reddit threads on the MAXs size/weight with so many saying they'd never get a max again after having one.
Before the 12 pro I had the Galaxy9+ which was 6.2" screen.
So the MAX is my biggest phone to date.

In all honesty I can't see myself going back to a smaller phone. I think I
mentioned earlier I haven't changed my phone handling habits with the MAX.
It's really not that much bigger and the weight increase plays no factor in
my use. I'm average size with average hands and it balances well for me one handed. I can also type one handed fine.

 

[logical]

All really excellent points.

Do we like the touchbar? Do you get touchID without the touchbar to login on the Air?

Just as a follow up to this hunt. I was speccing a 16gb/512gb version of the air and it comes out to $1599....but right now the 14 inch macbook pro is for sale for $1699 and this a way better ddeal for 100 bucks more. More power which can be sustained by the fan, Microled screen, better speakers, better mics and all around a better device even though slightly older. I might grab that.

 

[Tyr-Sog]

Looks like I’m all in. I just picked up the AirPod pros 2 lol.
These are my first high-end earbuds, and I gotta say they’re pretty nifty.

 

[logical]

Nice, whats your use case? Just casual music?

 

[Tyr-Sog]

Nice, whats your use case? Just casual music?

I don’t know I’m not much of a music person and to tell you the truth and I never really seen the need for earbuds lol. I hardly ever use my overhead headphones. As I’ve gotten older, I have been getting into music a little more, so maybe this is the excuse to take a vantage of Apple Music and earbuds. I’m hoping they work well when I’m out mountain biking because I’d like to start listening to music while doing that I guess. I just hope they don’t fall out. I can always get a headband to keep them in place but that gets warm so who knows

 

[logical]

I don’t know I’m not much of a music person and to tell you the truth and I never really seen the need for earbuds lol. I hardly ever use my overhead headphones. As I’ve gotten older, I have been getting into music a little more, so maybe this is the excuse to take a vantage of Apple Music and earbuds. I’m hoping they work well when I’m out mountain biking because I’d like to start listening to music while doing that I guess. I just hope they don’t fall out. I can always get a headband to keep them in place but that gets warm so who knows

Interesting, kind of shoehorning them into your life Im sure they will stay in your ears whole riding, but if youre doing some serious mountain biking I wouldnt wear any headphones its only a matter of time before any earbuds pop out.


Airpods have top notch noise cancellation so I use airpods max for office use so I imagine these are on par if not better than those.

 

[shrike126]

I will say I'm surprised how often I ended up using my Airpods Pro gen 1 after I picked those up. Thought I didn't listen to music much. But they're small enough that I always have them handy (they fit in the little change pocket in my jeans that was going unused), and now I find I use them for conference calls, or just listening to music while working, pretty often.

 

[Lupine]

I will say I'm surprised how often I ended up using my Airpods Pro gen 1 after I picked those up. Thought I didn't listen to music much. But they're small enough that I always have them handy (they fit in the little change pocket in my jeans that was going unused), and now I find I use them for conference calls, or just listening to music while working, pretty often.

Yeah, I use mine ALL the time. Was having some phone call quality issues for awhile there but that seems to have been sorted by a repair. Liked them when I was using my OnePlus 8, love them now that I'm on an iPhone.

I have a bad habit of liking to listen to podcasts as I drift off the sleep, and get scolded in the morning during my standard find-my-airpods search. But first pods I've used that are comfortable even against pillow pressure.

 

[bill dennison]

got my Airpods Pro gen 2 yesterday they sound a little better than gen 1

and they replaced both of my gen 1's but not the case yesterday on the second to last day of the applecare both tested bad