Why Honda 4 bangers has no torque?

Treeckcold57

Treeckcold57

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I've been wondered why Honda company doesn't make a 4 bangers engines that has a high displacement, so it can have more torque...size does matter. Also if they want Civics have a better mpg while having a lot of torque. Why not?

Look at this. For example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyncDceRkmo&feature=related

See that? It's pretty good. Why civics can't do this? Also I wondered why they ended up go with FWD layout, not RWD....what the heck? I hate to see how the guys tried to drift with their civics or burnout...it's really plain dumb and pathetic.

There are only two real Honda sport cars is S2000 and NSX I liked...

First of all, I don't like the phrase like this "VTEC kicked in yo!". All those Honda 4 bangers motor are only can rev higher because of a short stroke, acceleration doesn't kicked up until it revs higher unliked other cars such as Vette, Supra, GTO, Mustang, GT40, and etc can acceleration very quickly...hence they have more torque. I'm pretty sure the those ricer guys wouldn't know what torque is, but horsepower. All they care is having a more horsepower. :rolleyes:

My brother in law always tells me that V8 makes a lot of torque than 4 cylinders. For the reason, he used to had a shelby and challenger long ago.

I started to understand what torque is, about a while ago...now I liked V8 more over 4 bangers, but to be honestly. I think 4 bangers are great only if it has high displacement that makes more torque, not smaller like Honda 4 bangers.

But again, having more torque is not always better. Like F1 has around 300 lb-ft torque and a massively horsepower because of the weight. It only has 1500 lbs, so it accelerate very, very fast. If a car with a full body. Let's say 3000 lbs....it would definitely needs more torque to push a car to move really hard.

Any opinions are welcome...
 
Those 4cyl cars (Hondas) have their place, like all cars. I think they belong on short, twisty tracks and for people looking for something slightly sporty that can turn well and also use for a competent daily driver that gets good mileage.

I think using them on the dragstrip or big tracks like Road America is just fine also, as long as they don't get carried away with it. Like everybody else, they just have to know their place. So many of these tools fool around on public streets revving their weakass motors and streetracing with all kinds of goofy **** on the cars. Just makes a bad name for them all.

No idea why Honda doesn't make something with a bit more power and a different configuration. Their marketing would have a better grasp on that sort of thing than I. All I know is I find it much more thrilling to be in a car that will absolutely hammer you into the seat when you step on the loud pedal. No silly boost lag, no revving up to 9million rpm, no excuses. Just raw torque and power that kicks you in the ass and gets you moving. :drool:
 
Treeckcold57 said:
I've been wondered why Honda company doesn't make a 4 bangers engines that has a high displacement, so it can have more torque...size does matter. Also if they want Civics have a better mpg while having a lot of torque. Why not?

Look at this. For example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyncDceRkmo&feature=related

See that? It's pretty good. Why civics can't do this? Also I wondered why they ended up go with FWD layout, not RWD....what the heck? I hate to see how the guys tried to drift with their civics or burnout...it's really plain dumb and pathetic.

There are only two real Honda sport cars is S2000 and NSX I liked...

First of all, I don't like the phrase like this "VTEC kicked in yo!". All those Honda 4 bangers motor are only can rev higher because of a short stroke, acceleration doesn't kicked up until it revs higher unliked other cars such as Vette, Supra, GTO, Mustang, GT40, and etc can acceleration very quickly...hence they have more torque. I'm pretty sure the those ricer guys wouldn't know what torque is, but horsepower. All they care is having a more horsepower. :rolleyes:

My brother in law always tells me that V8 makes a lot of torque than 4 cylinders. For the reason, he used to had a shelby and challenger long ago.

I started to understand what torque is, about a while ago...now I liked V8 more over 4 bangers, but to be honestly. I think 4 bangers are great only if it has high displacement that makes more torque, not smaller like Honda 4 bangers.

But again, having more torque is not always better. Like F1 has around 300 lb-ft torque and a massively horsepower because of the weight. It only has 1500 lbs, so it accelerate very, very fast. If a car with a full body. Let's say 3000 lbs....it would definitely needs more torque to push a car to move really hard.

Any opinions are welcome...
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V8 doesn't always make more TQ than 4 cyl. Prime example is the LSx series motors and my 2.0 Ecotec.

I have had several LSx based motors, and the little 2.0 LNF Ecotec I have now walks all over them and it's not just because of the weight advantage either. To the wheel HP/TQ is even higher.

On my LS1s on my 04 GTO which was cammed and full bolt ons I put down 360HP/370TQ.

On my 2.0 LNF with just bolt ons I put down 390HP/420TQ at just 21 PSI, and now at 24 (clutch wouldnt hold on dyno) but it should be around 400/420~.

Size of the motor has really no correlation anymore. Anything can be built to be fast. People use to say yeah but it's easier to make a V8 faster and cheaper. Well that's not entirely true either. Like the GTO I had probably 5-8k in mods on it, and the 2.0 LNF I have now has MAYBE 2k in it.

Its all about the platform and original design now. Cubic inch wars are long over. Some people still abide by them but they are the ones I typically walk all over on Saturday nights.

Thats why the LNF is so underated. It's practically a diesel motor without the glow plugs and diesel fuel. It's a direct injected turbocharged motor that makes a **** ton of torque. And down low at that. In fact I make most of my power around 3300 RPMs and I only have a 6200RPM redline (keep in mind, this is on a 4cyl)
 
Sound_Card said:
Because it's all about the vtec.
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Duh! I knew you would say that. Haha.

OverclockN' said:
Those 4cyl cars (Hondas) have their place, like all cars. I think they belong on short, twisty tracks and for people looking for something slightly sporty that can turn well and also use for a competent daily driver that gets good mileage.

I think using them on the dragstrip or big tracks like Road America is just fine also, as long as they don't get carried away with it. Like everybody else, they just have to know their place. So many of these tools fool around on public streets revving their weakass motors and streetracing with all kinds of goofy **** on the cars. Just makes a bad name for them all.

No idea why Honda doesn't make something with a bit more power and a different configuration. Their marketing would have a better grasp on that sort of thing than I. All I know is I find it much more thrilling to be in a car that will absolutely hammer you into the seat when you step on the loud pedal. No silly boost lag, no revving up to 9million rpm, no excuses. Just raw torque and power that kicks you in the ass and gets you moving. :drool:
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If you really to have something really lighter, fastest, and quickest. Then Formula 1 is for you. But I'm sorry, it may cost you a leg and arm! LOL, but hey if I was born with natural hearing, then I'd curious to listen how F1 sound like when they revving up @ 18K RPM. :eek:

gamefoo21 said:
I'm waiting for Grov to post...

:bleh:
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Hahaha...what kind of a person he is? I'm not sure.
 
Treeckcold57 said:
Duh! I knew you would say that. Haha.



If you really to have something really lighter, fastest, and quickest. Then Formula 1 is for you. But I'm sorry, it may cost you a leg and arm! LOL, but hey if I was born with natural hearing, then I'd curious to listen how F1 sound like when they revving up @ 18K RPM. :eek:



Hahaha...what kind of a person he is? I'm not sure.
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I'd be willing to bet if you were next to one to feel the vibration, you would likely be able to feel the sound. They dont even really make a noise. Well they do. But its not really tonal. Its just high pitched vibrations.
 
I've found, with my Bimmers, I prefer inline 6's, good blend of hp and torque. They also are naturally very balanced and love forced induction.
 
Hondas have over square engines, free revving but no torque you need a longer stroke to make more torque. 200 horses and 150 torq is a honda fav.
 
OverclockN' said:
So many of these tools fool around on public streets revving their weakass motors and streetracing with all kinds of goofy **** on the cars. Just makes a bad name for them all.
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This would almost be OK if it were just the kids but I see grown-ass men doing this same thing.

CurrentlyPissed said:
V8 doesn't always make more TQ than 4 cyl. Prime example is the LSx series motors and my 2.0 Ecotec.

I have had several LSx based motors, and the little 2.0 LNF Ecotec I have now walks all over them and it's not just because of the weight advantage either. To the wheel HP/TQ is even higher.

On my LS1s on my 04 GTO which was cammed and full bolt ons I put down 360HP/370TQ.

On my 2.0 LNF with just bolt ons I put down 390HP/420TQ at just 21 PSI, and now at 24 (clutch wouldnt hold on dyno) but it should be around 400/420~.

Size of the motor has really no correlation anymore. Anything can be built to be fast. People use to say yeah but it's easier to make a V8 faster and cheaper. Well that's not entirely true either. Like the GTO I had probably 5-8k in mods on it, and the 2.0 LNF I have now has MAYBE 2k in it.

Its all about the platform and original design now. Cubic inch wars are long over. Some people still abide by them but they are the ones I typically walk all over on Saturday nights.

Thats why the LNF is so underated. It's practically a diesel motor without the glow plugs and diesel fuel. It's a direct injected turbocharged motor that makes a **** ton of torque. And down low at that. In fact I make most of my power around 3300 RPMs and I only have a 6200RPM redline (keep in mind, this is on a 4cyl)
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Comparing a N/A motor to something running 21 pounds of boost isn't really fair.

I've seen plenty of GTO and SS guys lay down $5,000-6,000 for H/C/I and make a ton of power.

And quit beating up on N/A V8's...come play with my blown one...
 
You cant compare a boosted engine to a N/A engine and claim it has just as much torque. You can boost a V8 and get even more torque out of it compared to a boosted 4 banger.

The torque value itself is a result of the displacement of the engine. Obviously theres other variables that come into play but its typically the larger the engine, the more torque it has. Small four bangers need to be revved pretty high to get at its miniscule amount of torque. Something around the 2.0L range doesnt really have a lot of torque. Then you go up to something around the 2.5L range and you got a respectable amount of torque, not quite 6cyl levels but close.

Then you have those VVT and Valve Lift technologies from various manufacturers which try to extract as much power as they can from the small displacement (and even the larger displacement motors)

The thing I wonder with Honda though, is that why dont they make any V8's? I thnk they just made one for their racing car but no plans for consumer application.....
 
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swingline said:
This would almost be OK if it were just the kids but I see grown-ass men doing this same thing.



Comparing a N/A motor to something running 21 pounds of boost isn't really fair.

I've seen plenty of GTO and SS guys lay down $5,000-6,000 for H/C/I and make a ton of power.

And quit beating up on N/A V8's...come play with my blown one...
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You missed the whole point.
 
Sasquach said:
You cant compare a boosted engine to a N/A engine and claim it has just as much torque. You can boost a V8 and get even more torque out of it compared to a boosted 4 banger.

The torque value itself is a result of the displacement of the engine. Obviously theres other variables that come into play but its typically the larger the engine, the more torque it has. Small four bangers need to be revved pretty high to get at its miniscule amount of torque. Something around the 2.0L range doesnt really have a lot of torque. Then you go up to something around the 2.5L range and you got a respectable amount of torque, not quite 6cyl levels but close.

Then you have those VVT and Valve Lift technologies from various manufacturers which try to extract as much power as they can from the small displacement (and even the larger displacement motors)

The thing I wonder with Honda though, is that why dont they make any V8's? I thnk they just made one for their racing car but no plans for consumer application.....
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Turbo does give some torque but still having some lag, but can 4 cylinders do more torque without a turbocharged? Just make it a longer stroke and increase the displacement. Like stock LS1 V8 dropped on S2000's under hood and bam, it goes really fly!
 
Little 993cc 3 cylinder, made 112ft/lb of Torque at 3500rpm

With an itty bitty RHB32, 6 valves, and a VAF that has a breather hole all of 30mm sq. :lol:

So it really just boils down to the design of the engine. Compared to a German boat anchor 2L I4 which made 122ft/lbs @ 2600rpm, hell the 1.8 turbo model didn't even make that much more at 150ft/lbs @ 2000rpm, it has 20 valves per cylinder.

Elysian said:
Apparently I, as well as most anyone else here did as well.
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I think he was arguing that a turbo is a replacement for displacement... Although such an argument is flawed in many ways... :sherlock:
 
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CurrentlyPissed said:
V8 doesn't always make more TQ than 4 cyl. Prime example is the LSx series motors and my 2.0 Ecotec.

I have had several LSx based motors, and the little 2.0 LNF Ecotec I have now walks all over them and it's not just because of the weight advantage either. To the wheel HP/TQ is even higher.

On my LS1s on my 04 GTO which was cammed and full bolt ons I put down 360HP/370TQ.

On my 2.0 LNF with just bolt ons I put down 390HP/420TQ at just 21 PSI, and now at 24 (clutch wouldnt hold on dyno) but it should be around 400/420~.

Size of the motor has really no correlation anymore. Anything can be built to be fast. People use to say yeah but it's easier to make a V8 faster and cheaper. Well that's not entirely true either. Like the GTO I had probably 5-8k in mods on it, and the 2.0 LNF I have now has MAYBE 2k in it.

Its all about the platform and original design now. Cubic inch wars are long over. Some people still abide by them but they are the ones I typically walk all over on Saturday nights.

Thats why the LNF is so underated. It's practically a diesel motor without the glow plugs and diesel fuel. It's a direct injected turbocharged motor that makes a **** ton of torque. And down low at that. In fact I make most of my power around 3300 RPMs and I only have a 6200RPM redline (keep in mind, this is on a 4cyl)
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Having to quote myself due to others lack of reading comprehension ftw.
 
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