Official Navi2x/6x00 series thread
- Thread starter Higgy10
- Start date
we know
you said you would last to the AMD review
but then you blow your load when crashcar24 undid his first button
kids today no staying power
acroig
Just another Troll
we know
you said you would last to the AMD review
but then you blow your load when crashcar24 undid his first button
kids today no staying power
ROFL! You bastid....
Nascar24
ASUS 4090 TUF
we know
you said you would last to the AMD review
but then you blow your load when crashcar24 undid his first button
kids today no staying power
Well hell yea, and it turned out to be the right choice on several levels, the top being he could actually buy one!
the 3080 and somewhat the 3090 is in for the death of a thousand cuts in the benchmarks and news
a 6080 xt reference card hits 2.65GHz on air beats a 3090 on ln2
wait till the 25th and the aftermarket cards like the Strix and that Red Devil hit and the reviewers get them and start pushing them
and if the AMD aftermarket cards hit with better stock like some say and stock picks up by the 8th like past AMD cards after the first few weeks
and yes they are both normally slow stock to start and picking up in a few weeks NV didn't this time we will have to wait a month and see if AMD can
but the 6900 xt may well kill the 3080 ti before it is even out
and if they make aftermarket cards like a 6900 xt Red Devil it will
a 6080 xt reference card hits 2.65GHz on air beats a 3090 on ln2
wait till the 25th and the aftermarket cards like the Strix and that Red Devil hit and the reviewers get them and start pushing them
and if the AMD aftermarket cards hit with better stock like some say and stock picks up by the 8th like past AMD cards after the first few weeks
and yes they are both normally slow stock to start and picking up in a few weeks NV didn't this time we will have to wait a month and see if AMD can
but the 6900 xt may well kill the 3080 ti before it is even out
and if they make aftermarket cards like a 6900 xt Red Devil it will
Nascar24
ASUS 4090 TUF
OverclockN'
Well-known member
But if this happens, and if those things happen, and if then that happens...
I'll be trying to get a 6800xt or 6900xt. Using the 3080 till I can get a card worked it out with the buddy who is buying it.
Sent from my GM1917 using Tapatalk
Sent from my GM1917 using Tapatalk
Nagorak
Well-known member
So, after watching some more reviews:
It looks to me like for 4K you want RTX 3000 series. For 1440P and below the 6800 series looks good. At least if we're talking about rasterization. I have to wonder whether it's the limited memory bandwidth that's holding the cards back in 4K?
Ray tracing performance is passable, but a little disappointing. The lack of a DLSS equivalent really hurts, since ray tracing is basically unplayable in some games without it. I don't fully cut AMD slack on this based on it being their "first gen of ray tracing", because Nvidia didn't really see much improvement in ray tracing with Ampere, outside it simply scaling with the cards being faster. I think it's still basically 1st gen vs 1st gen and AMD's implementation is not as good. It could be newer drivers and tweaks by game developers can improve it, but the jury is still out on that one.
The efficiency is nice compared to Ampere, however not all places saw the large difference that TechPowerUp did. I guess it depends on the game? Regardless, greater efficiency is still a plus.
Overall I think the cards are priced correctly, and are a decent product, not an amazing product. (However by that same measure, Ampere is also only a decent product.)
It's still impressive that AMD is back in the game and actually is more efficient for a change. This is their most competitive card released in a long time, I'd say going back all the way to 290X released 7 years ago. Hopefully this is the start of consistent improvement on the part of AMD, which means competition will heat up again in the GPU market.
In the end how well the cards do will come down to availability. If the AIBs show up in force next week then AMD will get a lot of sales. If the GPU shortage continues then the real determination will come down to how many cards AMD and Nvidia can deliver, with both selling everything they make.
It looks to me like for 4K you want RTX 3000 series. For 1440P and below the 6800 series looks good. At least if we're talking about rasterization. I have to wonder whether it's the limited memory bandwidth that's holding the cards back in 4K?
Ray tracing performance is passable, but a little disappointing. The lack of a DLSS equivalent really hurts, since ray tracing is basically unplayable in some games without it. I don't fully cut AMD slack on this based on it being their "first gen of ray tracing", because Nvidia didn't really see much improvement in ray tracing with Ampere, outside it simply scaling with the cards being faster. I think it's still basically 1st gen vs 1st gen and AMD's implementation is not as good. It could be newer drivers and tweaks by game developers can improve it, but the jury is still out on that one.
The efficiency is nice compared to Ampere, however not all places saw the large difference that TechPowerUp did. I guess it depends on the game? Regardless, greater efficiency is still a plus.
Overall I think the cards are priced correctly, and are a decent product, not an amazing product. (However by that same measure, Ampere is also only a decent product.)
It's still impressive that AMD is back in the game and actually is more efficient for a change. This is their most competitive card released in a long time, I'd say going back all the way to 290X released 7 years ago. Hopefully this is the start of consistent improvement on the part of AMD, which means competition will heat up again in the GPU market.
In the end how well the cards do will come down to availability. If the AIBs show up in force next week then AMD will get a lot of sales. If the GPU shortage continues then the real determination will come down to how many cards AMD and Nvidia can deliver, with both selling everything they make.
demo
space cadet
Yeh exactly, Tess off and who knows what else, in 1080p FS with 5950x @ 5.4. As you know, AMD does unnaturally well in FS for whatever reason and scores don't translate well to other benchmarks or games.
In his comments he states GPU score with Tess on is 'close to 50k' (for reference I just scored 51k), and has this benchmark run hidden - presumably because it doesn't look so hot. Then goes on to say raster gaming is around 3080 level and DXR gaming around 2080TI level. No surprises there. He also predicts single digit gains with 6900XT.
NWR_Midnight
New member
I don't think you are necessarily being fair in your view on Ray tracing. Nvidia has been working on their generation 1 for 2 years, and when their ray tracing was first introduced 2 years ago, it's performance was much, much worse than it is today, as well of also running into bugs. So I don't think you can call it first gen against first gen unless you go back and compare day 1 AMD to day 1 Nvidia. Nvidia required multiple patches in BF5 to deal with some of the issues, along with performance enhancements optimizations, which wasn't full illumination. They have also had 2 years to optimize it via drivers. The fact that the Ampere isn't really an improvement is really a huge black mark on Nvidia. Out of the gate, AMD is expected to do full illumination from the get go and shine? Yet, full illumination didn't' even happen for Nvidia until Metro Exodus. Not to mention that Nvidia had their hand in the cookie jar the whole time having all these games optimized for them. Sot heir should be a little more slack given to AMD than what it appears you are giving. Just my opinion.
they won't but the smart thing for NV would do a preemptive strike and open DLSS to all
but AMD will do it open with Sony and M$ consoles and game devs it will take over just like freesync did
they could scream superior IQ all day but if people can't really see it it won't matter
and if you really want superior IQ you want DLSS off .
you can't it was close to two months after the 2080 ti came out before the first ray tracing game Battlefield V came out and you could do more than a short demo with a 1200 buck RT card
and then it was months between new RT games for NV to tweak them
then with some games RT and or DLSS was added 6 months after the game came out
and lets get real
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/10/20/confirmed-ray-tracing-and-dlss-games-2020/
and some of them just plain suck .
you can't it was close to two months after the 2080 ti came out before the first ray tracing game Battlefield V came out and you could do more than a short demo with a 1200 buck RT card
and then it was months between new RT games for NV to tweak them
then with some games RT and or DLSS was added 6 months after the game came out
and lets get real
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/10/20/confirmed-ray-tracing-and-dlss-games-2020/
and some of them just plain suck .
And another matter is ....
When only a 700-800 $ GPU + fancy CPU can play RT at more than 60 fps at 1080p or 1440p and usually this guys have 4k stuff... What do you do with native resolution if one wants to play RT smooth ? Change the monitor ? Downscaling from native resolution is looking bad from what i know ?
Megaman
Well-known member
You wait for the 3085. Then you wait for the 4080, then the 4085 and so on.
LordHawkwind
New member
acroig
Just another Troll
Ouch indeed
Yeah, lol. I'm hoping for lots more inventory on the 25th.