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Old Sep 16, 2022, 02:38 PM   #1
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Nvidia doesn't seem to value AIB partners that are mostly focused on NA that much.
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The main issue seems to be at GPUs end of cycle. EVGA can only lower the price of their cards so much under contract with nV but the nV FE cards can go as low as they want. Currently a 3090 FE is $300 less than an EVGA one on Best Buy. EVGA is losing tons of cash on every high end 3000 series card right now.
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I don't know, seems like EVGA did over order and stuck losing money from price drops and the competition from the used market. Revenue dropped 44% sequentially from Nvidia's latest quarter and some of that pain was felt by the AIB's, and probably continue for another quarter or two.
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Here is an outstanding and informative article from Jon Peddie:


EVGA won’t offer Nvidia next-gen series

Citing price increases and shrinking margins, EVGA quits Nvidia.



https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/evga-...ext-gen-series
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nVidia corporate sucks. Always has, always will.
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JayzTwoCents chimes in as well:


BREAKING NEWS! - EVGA will no longer do business with NVIDIA

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Wish they would partner with AMD. I think the owner is just burned out of the graphic card biz though. Thanks Nvidia...
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It would be fantastic if they got on board with AMD and started selling EVGA team red cards.
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Remember how 3dfx wanted to get rid of the AIB's based on their complaining and desired to create their own 3dfx retail brand. So, 3dfx did and the company didn't last too long and empowered Nvidia to have more AIB customers.


Was always nervous with the Founder's Edition cards from Nvidia as they may slowly and incrementally be competition with their AIB partners.
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It sounds like the NV ceo would prefer the Apple approach when tech Jesus contacted Nvidia. Control hardware and distribution, basically everything. But they don't have the resourses.
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Can EVGA continue to be profitable long term without selling graphics cards?

Are peripherals, power supplies, and a few motherboards going to pay the bills?

Seems questionable.
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Good question! It was their video cards that created the strong branding, one may imagine and how long will the branding help their other products without video cards?
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They probably earn more from their psu sales since the margins are higher and they're not as "NA-only" with those.
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They probably earn more from their psu sales since the margins are higher and their not as "NA-only" with those.
From one of the video's they mentioned psu sales were 300% more profitable than graphic cards.
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Agree but it was their Gpu's and the brand awareness it creates that helped sell their other products, imho. Without Gpu's, the company may become irrelevant.
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Well - Being an owner of the EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra rev 0.1 (The infamous one with New Worlds issues) - I've removed the 500w BIOS and gone back to stock with default power limit. I think this seals the deal for me switching to AMD for my next card.
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I can't say I'm surprised. Nvidia wants companies to help with the launch loads but they want to be the premier GPU card dealer at the same time. EVGA established itself as a top tier card that directly went head to head at Nvidia's price points. Nvidia tried selling their FE cards at a premium and earlier than the competition with the 2000 series and then they out engineered everyone with the 3000 series FE coolers. EVGA were competitors more than partners and you could see why they would be annoyed with Nvidia. It's good that they diversified enough to make money in other areas and no longer need to spend the money on GPU designs but that's going to put many EVGA engineers out on the street which sucks.
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What surprises me is, if one has trouble working with Nvidia, why not try to work with Amd and Intel?
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Wish they would partner with AMD. I think the owner is just burned out of the graphic card biz though. Thanks Nvidia...
they make AMD 570x MB's will most likely make am5 motherboard

AMD video cards is not a stretch now that they are free of NV


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What surprises me is, if one has trouble working with Nvidia, why not try to work with Amd and Intel?
I think that would be the smart thing to do. Maybe they will. AMD could use another supplier that brings innovative custom designs to the street. It's just not possible for a small AIB to compete with AMD or Nvidia directly and I don't think AMD will be a problem unless they start pouring money into their own designs and pushing manufacturing like Nvidia has been doing.

I think Nvidia realized that pushing prices up to Asus level was not going to be effective when they dipped their toe into the pool back with the 2000 series. Now they undercut everyone which sells very well but it hurts the AIB profit margins. Which is probably why EVGA is bowing out.
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The numbers will show what happens by future Nvidia revenue and share results.
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XFX, BFG and now EVGA

think i will pass on buying NV cards for a few years

i don't like the FE cards and if they keep this up thats all they will have
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AMD also makes their own reference cards.

Based on the statements in the GN video it doesn't look very good for them ever producing video cards again.

The company is at a crossroads and could easily fail if the next steps aren't slam dunks.
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I think that would be the smart thing to do. Maybe they will. AMD could use another supplier that brings innovative custom designs to the street. It's just not possible for a small AIB to compete with AMD or Nvidia directly and I don't think AMD will be a problem unless they start pouring money into their own designs and pushing manufacturing like Nvidia has been doing.

I think Nvidia realized that pushing prices up to Asus level was not going to be effective when they dipped their toe into the pool back with the 2000 series. Now they undercut everyone which sells very well but it hurts the AIB profit margins. Which is probably why EVGA is bowing out.
Maybe they will after some reflection and rethinking. The Evga brand is a good one. It's a shame really, after a 22 + year relationship ending.
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AMD's reference designs are very traditionally straight forward and limited in supply. I don't think EVGA would have a problem carving out a profit producing AMD cards but perhaps upper management at EVGA is worried that will change in the near future and would rather be done with GPU design. Who knows, but EVGA's power supplies are no longer made by super flower and the new digital era of PS may not be as kind to them as it was in the past. They could be in trouble.
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AMD also makes their own reference cards.

Based on the statements in the GN video it doesn't look very good for them ever producing video cards again.

The company is at a crossroads and could easily fail if the next steps aren't slam dunks.
sapphire still makes them for AMD i think


or they are letting every one make reference cards now
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Co.../RX6800XT-16G/

XFX makes them also
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