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Old Oct 21, 2021, 11:41 PM   #1
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Default Alec Baldwin fired prop gun that killed cinematographer, injured director.

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SANTA FE, New Mexico (KABC) -- Actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop firearm that killed a crew member and left the director hospitalized on the set of a Western being filmed in New Mexico, according to the Santa Fe County sheriff.

Director of photography Halyna Hutchins, 42, was rushed by helicopter to a local trauma center, where she died from her injuries, the sheriff's office said. Director Joel Souza, 48, was also injured and is hospitalized.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office says the two were shot during the filming of a scene involving a firearm. The incident remains under investigation and no charges have been filed at this time.
I wonder if this will be a repeat of what happened to Brandon Lee in the crow movie.
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Old Oct 21, 2021, 11:47 PM   #2
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Why TF do they have live guns on a movie set.

Isn't that why special effects exist to simulate the real thing so that people wouldn't have to die?
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Old Oct 22, 2021, 05:59 AM   #5
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Why TF do they have live guns on a movie set.

Isn't that why special effects exist to simulate the real thing so that people wouldn't have to die?

Wife read an account to me, and it WAS a prop gun. My guess would be that he fired the blanks at close range, which is not how they're to be used. Not giving the projectile enough time to lose energy.

Well-known hothead, he should get brought up on reckless endangerment charges at the very least. Push for manslaughter..
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Wife read an account to me, and it WAS a prop gun. My guess would be that he fired the blanks at close range, which is not how they're to be used. Not giving the projectile enough time to lose energy.

Well-known hothead, he should get brought up on reckless endangerment charges at the very least. Push for manslaughter..
Huh? There hasn't been anything released about how the gun was fired or what range. Pushing for charges if he did nothing wrong would be ridiculous.
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Wife read an account to me, and it WAS a prop gun. My guess would be that he fired the blanks at close range, which is not how they're to be used. Not giving the projectile enough time to lose energy.

Well-known hothead, he should get brought up on reckless endangerment charges at the very least. Push for manslaughter..
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A Brandon Lee scenario feels more likely since two people got hit by the projectile.
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Wife read an account to me, and it WAS a prop gun. My guess would be that he fired the blanks at close range, which is not how they're to be used. Not giving the projectile enough time to lose energy.

Well-known hothead, he should get brought up on reckless endangerment charges at the very least. Push for manslaughter..
It’s happened before. Bias against Baldwin maybe? I don’t care for him either, but, like any other scenario, wouldn’t we want all the facts first?
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Huh? There hasn't been anything released about how the gun was fired or what range. Pushing for charges if he did nothing wrong would be ridiculous.
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Awful tragedy. Worst part is its happened several times in the past during movie productions. Why can't they figure out a better way to prevent this?
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They kind of have done that, haven't some productions moved onto using realistic gaspowered airsoft guns and some cgi enhancements?
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That's good, but not good enough if some movies are still using the old method.
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Awful tragedy. Worst part is its happened several times in the past during movie productions. Why can't they figure out a better way to prevent this?
Are there prop guns that actually shoot...nothing?

Like just makes a pop sound and spits out smoke?
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Are there prop guns that actually shoot...nothing?

Like just makes a pop sound and spits out smoke?
I would think so. But my guess is it takes away from the authenticity, probably looks obviously fake.
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Huh? There hasn't been anything released about how the gun was fired or what range. Pushing for charges if he did nothing wrong would be ridiculous.
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Hollywood weapons expert Larry Zanoff said that when firearms are used as props in the television and movie industry only blanks — cartridges that do not hold bullets — are allowed on set.

Even so, there is a minimum safety distance of 20 feet in front of the muzzle because even with a blank, smoke and burning embers can get propelled out of the gun, he said.

“There should be nothing in front of it when filming is occurring with firearms,” Zanoff said.

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The film's director of photography, Halyna Hutchins, 42, was killed, and director Joel Souza, 48, was injured when Baldwin, 63, discharged the stage firearm, the sheriff's office said in a statement Thursday evening.

Prop guns shoot blanks. Blanks at close range can still kill people.


And, even so... there's no reason to be pointing a prop gun at the CREW. If it was the actor in the scene with him, accident could be an explanation. No reason to be levelling even a prop (known potentially dangerous) gun at someone behind the cameras, let alone TWO people. Ergo, reckless endangerment, and that's true whether he was just joking around, being a raving asshole or following dangerous direction.
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I wonder if they were shooting a close up barrel scene? Those are typically done with the camera man behind a shield of some sort. Blanks don't fire a projectile, but they do send a full rounds worth of energy out the end of the barrel. If anything is stuck in the barrel like in the case of Brandon Lee, that's coming out like a normal round would.
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I can see koralis' point here. If there are rules/regulations for firing prop guns during filming that were not properly followed, someone may have been at fault. At the very least negligent.

Either way, I also agree no one should make any conclusions based on the info we have right now. Let them do the investigation and hopefully determine exactly what happened first.
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https://variety.com/2021/film/news/a...nd-1235095349/

There was supposedly a single live round in that gun, what the actual ****
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An awful lot of speculation opens up after that. I’m just going to call it a really sad and tragic accident and bow out.
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Real ammunition shouldn't be allowed anywhere on set. This was 100% preventable, and someone failed miserably at making sure that firearm was safe.
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Wife read an account to me, and it WAS a prop gun. My guess would be that he fired the blanks at close range, which is not how they're to be used. Not giving the projectile enough time to lose energy.

Well-known hothead, he should get brought up on reckless endangerment charges at the very least. Push for manslaughter..
there is no projectile in a blank cartage
sometimes there is a wax cardboard disk but i don't think the movies use those just crimped blanks

with two people hit sounds more like live rounds got into a prop gun
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So they were behind a shield, but not one meant for a live round. That .45 or .44 would go through that like a hot knife in butter. Explains how a single round hit both too if he was standing behind her.
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I like that he’s leaving the “How did a live round get loaded?” To the sheriff’s dept.
Yep. A live round should not have even been on the set, much less inserted into the gun instead of a blank. I hate speculating, but this seems intentional to me. I have a hard time believing that the props team would inadvertantly put a live round into the gun. There are policies and procedures in place to prevent that kind of "mistake" - such as not allowing live ammunition on a movie set.

I'm very interested to follow this investigation to see how the facts pan out. Either way, it sounds like Alec Baldwin is understandably devastated.
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Yep. A live round should not have even been on the set, much less inserted into the gun instead of a blank. I hate speculating, but this seems intentional to me. I have a hard time believing that the props team would inadvertantly put a live round into the gun. There are policies and procedures in place to prevent that kind of "mistake" - such as not allowing live ammunition on a movie set.

I'm very interested to follow this investigation to see how the facts pan out. Either way, it sounds like Alec Baldwin is understandably devastated.
Alec is a prick, but I doubt he's the one responsible. Then the question would be...who and why?
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Alec is a prick, but I doubt he's the one responsible. Then the question would be...who and why?
kink of the perfect crime if he did want to off someone

anyone else loading it on purpose but the guy holding the gun and it would be random who got shot
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