Announcemnt, & Talking about, FSR Thread

**Gandalfthewhite** · Jun 1, 2021, 12:00 AM

AMD dropping the hammer with support for everything back to rx500 series to now and AND Nvidia 1xxx series to now. As well as consoles this is big news. 10 developers / engines on board right now with more to come.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fide...d-geforce-gpus

O.D. · Jun 1, 2021, 02:20 AM

Those are very impressive numbers they are marketing.

I hope it is true..... does anyone think it will be that close?

I would assume the example they give (God fall) is their best one, anyone have ideas or thoughts on what will be the average increase?

I am not familiar enough with DLSS numbers, how do these numbers compare?

In terms of image quality, the link also claims 'almost identical' image to the native 4k one (i assume at the ultra setting.... not sure on the other options). Is that similar for DLSS?

on a scale of 1 to 10 how true do you feel this announcement is?

**Trunks0** · Jun 1, 2021, 03:39 AM

I remain skeptical. But the wide support going way back is uber sweet.

Hardwood · Jun 1, 2021, 07:28 AM

Just to get this straight. This is to be baked into games and will not be a "Radeon Settings" option.. right?

Sabadin · Jun 1, 2021, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardwood

Just to get this straight. This is to be baked into games and will not be a "Radeon Settings" option.. right?

I haven't read anything yet on where the control over the quality settings will be located, but given that it supports GTX and RTX cards it's a safe bet it won't be a "Radeon Settings" option.

**acroig** · Jun 1, 2021, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite

AMD dropping the hammer with support for everything back to rx500 series to now and AND Nvidia 1xxx series to now. As well as consoles this is big news. 10 developers / engines on board right now with more to come.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fide...d-geforce-gpus

This is awesome news, TY.

**Exposed** · Jun 1, 2021, 08:16 AM

HU seems a bit sceptical if it will actually be competitive to DLSS 2.0

So far, from AMDs own slide, looks more like DLSS 1.0.

It's welcome especially to non RTX owners, but a software scalar likely won't ever give the same kind of qualitive output as an AI trained hardware scalar can do.

**acroig** · Jun 1, 2021, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exposed

It's welcome especially to non RTX owners, but a software scalar likely won't ever give the same kind of qualitive output as an AI trained hardware scalar can do.

Yeah but at this point it makes RT feasible on Radeon cards without the huge FPS hit.

SIrPauly · Jun 1, 2021, 09:53 AM

Very smart showcasing on a Gtx 1060.

bill dennison · Jun 1, 2021, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

Very smart showcasing on a Gtx 1060.

i think i can hear the grinding of the jacket's teeth from here

demo · Jun 2, 2021, 12:57 AM

Great news, at least we can compare it to DLSS if both are supported.

**Trunks0** · Jun 2, 2021, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison

i think i can hear the grinding of the jacket's teeth from here

Quote:

Originally Posted by demo

Great news, at least we can compare it to DLSS if both are supported.

If nVidia really wanted to... They can open DLSS up to work without the tensor cores... They choose not to.

Look no further than Control. The DLSS in that game launched with shader based DLSS and was later patched to DLSS 2.0 and switched to using the tensor cores.

demo · Jun 2, 2021, 01:49 AM

I was under the impression moving to tensor cores gave IQ and performance advantages under 2.0+, so I wouldn't consider that a negative.

Nascar24 · Jun 2, 2021, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison

i think i can hear the grinding of the jacket's teeth from here

Stop it Billy, you dont like DLSS 2, how in the world would you like this?

bill dennison · Jun 2, 2021, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar24

Stop it Billy, you dont like DLSS 2, how in the world would you like this?

i don't and have said i think it is not good for 4k IQ AMD or NV

but i just love that AMD's works on more NV and older hardware ( Pascal maybe more ) than NVidia's own DLSS does

plus the game consoles

AMD will catch up to NV quickly in IQ and then NV's dlss will be dead because it only works on RTX cards

**acroig** · Jun 2, 2021, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison

AMD will catch up to NV quickly in IQ and then NV's dlss will be dead because it only works on RTX cards

Sad part is nV could expand DLSS to other gen cards using shader cores but......

**Gandalfthewhite** · Jun 1, 2021, 11:06 AM

From what people are saying via leaks it's in-between dlss 1 and dlss 2 but way easier to implement and with such broad support seems like it will be a way easier sell for implementation.

I view it as the new freesync vs gysnc and we all see how that went.

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**Nunz** · Jun 1, 2021, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite

F.
I view it as the new freesync vs gysnc and we all see how that went.

Sent from my GM1917 using Tapatalk

How has that gone? GSync hardware modules are still superior to FreeSync and monitors with those modules still sell extremely well with a price mark-up.

**Gandalfthewhite** · Jun 1, 2021, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nunz

How has that gone? GSync hardware modules are still superior to FreeSync and monitors with those modules still sell extremely well with a price mark-up.

Given at this time there are around 91 actual gsync monitors vs the hundreds of freesync monitors and that Nvidia has had to target marketing at gsync compatible to actually be relevant. And that now with HDMI 2.1 starting to pick up steam pushing it further out of that market . Sure it may be the " better" solution but it lost the war.

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Mangler · Jun 1, 2021, 11:52 AM

Many of those hundreds of monitors are literally trash though.

Freesync premium/premium pro monitors are fine, but anything predating that isn't even remotely comparable to gsync monitors in terms of quality standards.

**Trunks0** · Jun 1, 2021, 12:02 PM

Drop the analogy and if you want to have a feesync/gsync debate, create a new thread please.

**Further comments on the feesync/gsync debate will be deleted from this thread**

Hapatingjaky · Jun 1, 2021, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trunks0

Drop the analogy and if you want to have a feesync/gsync debate, create a new thread please.

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What about Vsync, Adaptive Sync?

**Trunks0** · Jun 1, 2021, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hapatingjaky

What about Vsync, Adaptive Sync?

Megaman · Jun 10, 2022, 07:12 PM

New games added to the short list

Dealthloop [ADDED]
God of War [ADDED]
Farming Simulator 22 [ADDED]
God of War
Asterigos
Delysium
EVE Online
Forspoken
Grounded
Microsoft Flight Simulator
NiShuiHan
Perfect World Remake
Swordsman Remake
Unknown 9: Awakening
Abyss World [NEW]
Hitman 3 [NEW]
Rescue Party: Live! [NEW]
Super People [NEW]
The Callisto Protocol [NEW]

demo · Jun 11, 2022, 05:51 PM

I don't see the option for FSR in FS2020 yet. Can't wait, it'll be of huge benefit in that title. Hopefully it works in VR.

**Trunks0** · Jun 13, 2022, 01:06 AM

Digital Foundry did an in-depth on God of War. Seems imperfect, not better than DLSS, but better than the built in scaler. Some of these issue highlighted... you may not even notice when playing. Others however... pretty noticeable. Upside is most look like they come down to issues with how FSR 2.0's TAA implementation is handling elements(like that water blurring issue). So they are resolvable... question will come down to if games ever patch if they get resolved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJT6i8zpHQ

Mangler · Jun 13, 2022, 06:44 AM

Isn't god of war also a special case since FSR 2.0 isn't really supposed to be dx11 compatible?

**Trunks0** · Jun 13, 2022, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangler

Isn't god of war also a special case since FSR 2.0 isn't really supposed to be dx11 compatible?

Curious, interesting catch there. AMD doesn't mention DX11 anywhere for FSR 2.0 with a quick googling. Odd

. Must have been easy to adapt given its one of the earliest games to patch in the tech.

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Jun 1, 2021, 02:20 AM	#2
O.D. Radeon R600 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 654	Those are very impressive numbers they are marketing. I hope it is true..... does anyone think it will be that close? I would assume the example they give (God fall) is their best one, anyone have ideas or thoughts on what will be the average increase? I am not familiar enough with DLSS numbers, how do these numbers compare? In terms of image quality, the link also claims 'almost identical' image to the native 4k one (i assume at the ultra setting.... not sure on the other options). Is that similar for DLSS? on a scale of 1 to 10 how true do you feel this announcement is? __________________ O.D. I propose a toast....

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Exposed ESB Sports Bookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 7,253	HU seems a bit sceptical if it will actually be competitive to DLSS 2.0 So far, from AMDs own slide, looks more like DLSS 1.0. It's welcome especially to non RTX owners, but a software scalar likely won't ever give the same kind of qualitive output as an AI trained hardware scalar can do.

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SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 17,116	Very smart showcasing on a Gtx 1060. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!*

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demo space cadet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 28,125	Great news, at least we can compare it to DLSS if both are supported. __________________ ____________________

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Gandalfthewhite Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Middle Earth also known as AZ Posts: 9,620	From what people are saying via leaks it's in-between dlss 1 and dlss 2 but way easier to implement and with such broad support seems like it will be a way easier sell for implementation. I view it as the new freesync vs gysnc and we all see how that went. Sent from my GM1917 using Tapatalk __________________ Main rig: look at system spec tab Storage Server: Dual AMD Opteron 6120 CPUs, 64Gigs ECC Ram 50TB usable space across 3 zfs2 pools HOURGLASS = most appropriate named ICON/CURSOR in the Windows world :-) In a dank corner of ATI central, the carpet covered with corn flakes, the faint sound of clicking can be heard........Click......click, click............as the fate of the graphics world and the future of the human race hangs in the balance. I know....I know........Keep my day job :-)- catcather

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Mangler PC Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,613	Many of those hundreds of monitors are literally trash though. Freesync premium/premium pro monitors are fine, but anything predating that isn't even remotely comparable to gsync monitors in terms of quality standards. Last edited by Mangler : Jun 1, 2021 at 12:03 PM.

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demo space cadet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 28,125	I don't see the option for FSR in FS2020 yet. Can't wait, it'll be of huge benefit in that title. Hopefully it works in VR. __________________ ____________________

Jun 13, 2022, 01:06 AM	#26
Trunks0 Keeping an open mind Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 21,348	Digital Foundry did an in-depth on God of War. Seems imperfect, not better than DLSS, but better than the built in scaler. Some of these issue highlighted... you may not even notice when playing. Others however... pretty noticeable. Upside is most look like they come down to issues with how FSR 2.0's TAA implementation is handling elements(like that water blurring issue). So they are resolvable... question will come down to if games ever patch if they get resolved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJT6i8zpHQ __________________ -Trunks0 not speaking for all and if I am wrong I never said it. (plz note that is meant as a joke) System: Asus TUF Gaming X570-Pro - AMD Ryzen 7 5800x - Noctua NH-D15S chromax.Black - 32gb of G.Skill Trident Z NEO - Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD±RW - Samsung 850 Evo 250Gib - 4TiB Seagate - XFX MERC 308 Radeon RX 6600XT - Creative AE-5 Plus - Windows 10 64-bit

Jun 13, 2022, 06:44 AM	#27
Mangler PC Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,613	Isn't god of war also a special case since FSR 2.0 isn't really supposed to be dx11 compatible?

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