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Old Oct 31, 2021, 02:11 PM   #211
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Agreed, will they come water cooled from factory? If so prices start at what 2K?
i wish they would sell the bare card and let us buy a block we want like CPU's

NV may start at 2k for a 4080 ti but i don't think AMD can at this point their marketshare is too low on the GPU side

7900 xt about 1499.99


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Old Nov 1, 2021, 07:32 PM   #212
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Time for the jacket to pull some 4080’s out of the oven.
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Time for the jacket to pull some 4080’s out of the oven.


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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/03/semi...rvell-ceo.html

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The semiconductor chip shortage that is hamstringing the production of products ranging from cars and computers to appliances and toothbrushes will extend into 2022 and potentially beyond that, the CEO of semiconductor company Marvell Technology said.

“Right now, every single end market for semiconductors is up simultaneously; I’ve been in this industry 27 years, I’ve never seen that happen,” said Marvell CEO Matt Murphy during a CNBC Technology Executive Council event on Thursday. “If it stays business as usual, and everything’s up and to the right, this is going to be a very painful period, including in 2022 for the duration of the year.”

While several chip producers have announced plans to expand factory capacity, Murphy, who noted his firm is fabless and works with contract manufacturers on its designs, said “that’s not going to kick in until 2023 and 2024 — so there’s this painful period.”

That is a more pessimistic view than some of Murphy’s chip industry peers, who have recently said they expect the shortage to wane next year as new factories open.

“We’ve always gone through cycles of ups and downs, where demand has exceeded supply or vice versa,” AMD CEO Lisa Su said Monday at the Code Conference in Beverly Hills, California. “This time, it’s different.”

Su said that while she expects the first half of 2022 to be “likely tight,” the second half will be less severe as manufacturing capacity opens.

Future release dates are going to be extending as demand looks to way outpaced supply through 2022. I don't know that I'd be expecting a new chip or board in 2022 that will be easy to find.

Granted, things can change, but this outlook isn't that great.

We all might need to temper our expectations.
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to a point it will last till 2024

when the two new fabs in Az open one new TSMC and one new Intel

what they need to do is start the next two fabs somewhere in the US now for like 2026
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Fabs aren't the only limitation, though. It's the materials the fabs need as well.

I truly don't see the supply shortage stopping any time soon, and by soon I mean in the next five years. It's going to be a limitation on production for a while to come. I believe a lot of the people coming out and saying "it'll be fine by end of 2022" are simply industry personnel trying to calm the storm..
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Fabs aren't the only limitation, though. It's the materials the fabs need as well.

I truly don't see the supply shortage stopping any time soon, and by soon I mean in the next five years. It's going to be a limitation on production for a while to come. I believe a lot of the people coming out and saying "it'll be fine by end of 2022" are simply industry personnel trying to calm the storm..
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Biden has been pretty supportive of pushing the supply chain closer to home (bringing TSMC stateside, and giving incentive to Intel), but I don't see him abandoning the green initiative in this case; especially after he just did a climate change conference with the UN in Scotland two days ago

The only way I can see this happening is if the states are left alone to decide/fund the drilling.
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For rare earth materials? If you look at how the gold rush was handled as a guide, I'm pretty sure that the government won't get in the way much if that means it increases tech production IN the US....
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I don't think you can use the gold rush as a guide anymore. Not in today's climate where the damage we've done to the environment is so evident, as well as the ease of access to news.

You're comparing 2021 politics to 1849, where the federal government was far less powerful and people had no idea how badly we were destroying the planet. Awareness is far too high these days. Look at the Keystone Pipeline - mainly killed for environmental reasons despite the pipeline reducing our reliance on OPEC and foreign oil..

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I only think it's possible if the federal government stays out and allows the states to do what they need to do.
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Biden has been pretty supportive of pushing the supply chain closer to home (bringing TSMC stateside, and giving incentive to Intel), but I don't see him abandoning the green initiative in this case; especially after he just did a climate change conference with the UN in Scotland two days ago

The only way I can see this happening is if the states are left alone to decide/fund the drilling.
that was set up before him


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But was not cancelled as the Keystone Pipeline was. Supportive, not set up by, was the wording I used.
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but the nasty little sh*t PR gets into everything to some point
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but the nasty little sh*t PR gets into everything to some point
I understand bud but let's prevent this from spreading.
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some AMD &
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Should this vid be in this thread?
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the Samsung production part yes as NV does use Samsung
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OK, thanks.
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twice as power hungry and twice the price maybe
but 50% only 50% faster at most for the 4090 over a 3090
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I was about to post this, thanks Bill. LOL @ double the power consumption.
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someone should tell the jacket that 1000 watts of thumping is only good in a car stereo
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Geez.. that's getting out of control. It already feels like a hair dryer blowing out of my case with the 3090..
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Geez.. that's getting out of control. It already feels like a hair dryer blowing out of my case with the 3090..
Unless these cards are coming with their own power bricks I don't see this happening. 800-900W for a vid card alone?
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Unless these cards are coming with their own power bricks I don't see this happening. 800-900W for a vid card alone?
i can

most full tower cases can take two PSU's
mine will take 6 PSU's
and we will be seeing all new PSU's soon i think

people running 3 and 4 way SLI/CFX used to do it all the time


wait till RDNA 3 or 4 and they have 3 or 4 chiplet GPU's in them even with 3nm they will suck power like mad


it not going to be the power draw it will be cooling these beasts

new gaming power suply

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