Nvidia RTX DLSS/Ray Tracing Discussion

[Sound_Card]

Lowering your native resolution to 1080p to use DLSS at 1080p so you can use an RT effect...

Probably going to look like ass. Sounds like an unlikely thing.
You can't even buy 1080p monitors. Ask Badyskes.

[Trunks0]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

I don't think anybody here is going to use DLSS for 1080p. If they do, their card is probably older than a 2k series card and therefor can't use DLSS anyway.

There are lower end RTX cards or cases with heavy RTing effects where it is going to be super handy. Now and later down the road.

Originally Posted by acroig

Or they are using a 2xxx series with RT effect and DLSS comes in handy.

It definitely has it's use cases. So long as it stays around, it lets RTX cards live longer. It's a great feature to have.

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

Lowering your native resolution to 1080p to use DLSS at 1080p so you can use an RT effect...

Probably going to look like ass. Sounds like an unlikely thing.
You can't even buy 1080p monitors. Ask Badyskes.

You wouldn't lower your native resolution. You would let DLSS upscale in a higher performance mode from a lower render resolution to your target.

Also you might want to YT just how surprisingly good DLSS can look up-scaling from some pretty crazy low render resolutions. It would definitely net you the ability to use your card longer.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

Lowering your native resolution to 1080p to use DLSS at 1080p so you can use an RT effect...

Probably going to look like ass. Sounds like an unlikely thing.
You can't even buy 1080p monitors. Ask Badyskes.

Or you're playing on a laptop with a native 1080p display?

Like Pauly said.

[Sound_Card]

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

Gaming at Ultra Low Resolutions with DLSS - 240p and beyond

He acts like I should be surprised that it is 240p. It looks like a 360 game.

[Trunks0]

That article is mostly based on the original WCC article you posted. Only TechRadar got comment on the WCC article from nVidia and SystemShock Developer "Nightdive Studios". It just reinforces what was already known and mentioned in the WCC article. That being that if your engine has the DLSS plug-in support already built in, you won't encounter the same level of problems Midgar did because it is already done for you.

[Nagorak]

It's also kind of an awkward sentence in that it's not clear what is undeniable since the "impact" is not specified in any way (i.e. "positive impact", etc.).

So, it basically reads like it's undeniable(!) that DLSS will have some undefined impact(?) on a player's experience.

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

Quality-wise, when there is a lot of pixel info available for upscaling to 4K, both technologies give amazing results, and I have a hard time seeing differences between them. I’d even say that I slightly prefer the FSR for 4K resolution since it doesn’t introduce any artifacts/minor blurriness that DLSS can sometimes introduce. For lower resolutions like upscaling to 1080p or 720p, I think DLSS gives a better result since it can reconstruct parts of missing details due to the nature of the technique. That said, I'm playing Edge of Eternity on a GPD Win3 (Intel APU), and using FSR to upscale to 720p gives a very similar result to native on a small screen like that and allows 60 FPS gameplay.

I was looking at a 3060ti, now I don't want it anymore.

Sup man Long time no see!


Why a 3060Ti? Just wait for Lovelace/Navi31, this gen is a joke IMHO.


DLSS works well in NMS and Cyberpunk only on quality settings. I have not tried Metro Exodus:EE yet but I might get to that sometime. FSR is a cool tech and can be used A LOT more then DLSS in the future,
but it all comes down to how good it can be implemented. If consoles start using it then it will be in most all new games.

[demo]

Not exactly sure where to post this but I guess because it's about ray tracing this will do.

I thought that since Doom Eternal is using Vulkan and console optimised ray tracing, that 6900XT would do much better, but in fact it gets absolutely crushed in RT benchmarks:




That is horrendous for such an expensive piece of hardware.

[Nagorak]

To be fair, it's still playable at 4K at those settings, and it's essentially equal to a 2080 Ti and only behind the 3070 by an indistinguishable margin.

AMD is still clearly behind on ray tracing performance, but their implementation is at least functional.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Nagorak

To be fair, it's still playable at 4K at those settings, and it's essentially equal to a 2080 Ti and only behind the 3070 by an indistinguishable margin.

AMD is still clearly behind on ray tracing performance, but their implementation is at least functional.

Just quoting you as many here have said that the 2080Ti could not do RT at acceptable levels.

[Sound_Card]

Originally Posted by SSXeon

Sup man Long time no see!

Steve! Thought you died. Crazy you still post here

Originally Posted by demo

That is horrendous for such an expensive piece of hardware.

The patch was virtually made by Nvidia for Nvidia with day 1 Nvidia drivers.
Not sure what card you have, but they are all horrendous performers for how much they cost.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

Nvidia DLSS support is finally coming to Red Dead Redemption 2 next week

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-dlss-...n-2-next-week/

Woot!

[LordHawkwind]

TBH I just play games and I'm lucky I don't see jaggies or artifacts so I play at my native resolution of 3440x1440 with no DLSS and Ray Tracing if enabled. Not bragging just saying it how it is.

[SSXeon]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

Steve! Thought you died. Crazy you still post here

I am still alive

I mostly lurk and and post randomly. Working on computers/networks/printers/VoIP all day sometimes I have to NOT look or think about technology!

Anyone try Red Dead 2 DLSS 2.2? Only reason I did not buy it yet for PC, loved it on my PS4 Pro, sick ass game! I know it runs like Sh*t on PCs, but was hoping quality settings will make it look good and playable.

[Nagorak]

Originally Posted by acroig

Just quoting you as many here have said that the 2080Ti could not do RT at acceptable levels.

To be honest with you, I feel like both things are true, it's just a matter of perspective and expectations. For many years I was content running 60ish FPS since my monitor couldn't display more than that anyway, but now I really expect 100+.

By that token RT was usable on the 2080 Ti, and likewise on 3070/6900XT. Yet, at the same time, ideally performance would be a fair bit higher on that class of card.

[NIGELG]

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

My subjective view hasn't changed on framerate needs even though I am gaming with a Gsync 300hz display.

300Hz?Wow.

Only since January 2021 I've graduated to 144Hz.

[Fuku2]

I'm still at 60Hz.

You damn kids and your high Hz monitors.
Get off of my lawn.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Fuku2

I'm still at 60Hz.

You damn kids and your high Hz monitors.
Get off of my lawn.

[kboye]

Quite happy with the Samsung G9 at 240Hz, difference 120-240 is absolutely there.

However.... if any of you have an OLED and some BFI support, that too goes a long way

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by Fuku2

I'm still at 60Hz.

You damn kids and your high Hz monitors.
Get off of my lawn.

i got the 4k/120 LG CX 55" but my 2080 ti won't go over 60Hz


Get off of my lawn 3090 owner

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

i got the 4k/120 LG CX 55" but my 2080 ti won't go over 60Hz


Get off of my lawn 3090 owner

Hehe noob

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Hehe noob

you can stand in my lawn


I'll sit and watch you melt

[Fuku2]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

i got the 4k/120 LG CX 55" but my 2080 ti won't go over 60Hz


Get off of my lawn 3090 owner

I mowed your lawn with my 3090.

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by Fuku2

I mowed your lawn with my 3090.

so your the one that set it on fire

wonder how long that 3090 would run at 113f outside

[Fuku2]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

so your the one that set it on fire

wonder how long that 3090 would run at 113f outside

Temps here in B.C. were quite high a couple weeks ago or so.
I wouldn't know. I don't run my computer on the porch like a hillbilly. Mine is inside my room with an air conditioner running.

I do wish more game supported DLSS and the AMD solution (forgot what it's called). Options are always nice.

[Jaillum Malord]

I remember reading somewhere that one of the promised 3x00 series cards feature was an option to enable DLSS in NVCP with games that use TAA rather than the developer adding the option in the game.


Was I smoking too much crack or was there something like this in the pipeline?

[Trunks0]

That was the idea, never managed to pull it off sadly. Could still happen though.

[kboye]

AC? At almost 29'C inside the temp alarm went off 10min after FS2020

And hey, you can still do 4K 120Hz RGB on 20-series cards with DP-HDMI 2.1 dongle from say Club 3D. Doing it myself. No GSYNC though.

[Jaillum Malord]

Originally Posted by kboye

AC? At almost 29'C inside the temp alarm went off 10min after FS2020

And hey, you can still do 4K 120Hz RGB on 20-series cards with DP-HDMI 2.1 dongle from say Club 3D. Doing it myself. No GSYNC though.

Does a displayport to displayport adapter with DSC exist?

[kboye]

Originally Posted by Jaillum Malord

Does a displayport to displayport adapter with DSC exist?

No idea, but do have a DP-3xDP Club 3D adapter that according to spec uses DSC (for input probably?).