AMD's Radeon version of DLSS is called FSR and due out this year

[pax]

I would suspect an upgrade with FSR 2.0 that would be navi on up only and FSR 1.0 hopefully polaris on up but you called it man. Itd be an awesome thing to have it near universal and user tweakable.

Even makes the sting of high prices a bit less all around...

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by pax

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-i...s-in-all-games




Driver is due out in January apparently.

when any word ??

[pax]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

when any word ??

yea about that the various video presentations talked 1st quarter 2022 so sounds like a bit delayed... by end of march at the latest I hope

[Trunks0]

Originally Posted by pax

yea about that the various video presentations talked 1st quarter 2022 so sounds like a bit delayed... by end of march at the latest I hope

Well lets see here. Whats coming out this month that AMD might want to release a driver for to ensure everything is good? God of War and Rainbow Six Extraction both come out on the 20th, so AMD will likely release a driver right around then.

[bill dennison]

isn't there alway a big driver release in january or first part of february ?

[pax]

Ya Im sure theres some regular driver updates coming out before the big one but they mentioned the adrenaline big one with RSR would be out quarter one.

[Kombatant]

Yup. Q1.

[Trunks0]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-d...ng-at-gdc-2022

Originally Posted by Videocardz - AMD presenting its latest research results for image upscaling for games

During one of the sessions titled “Next-Generation Image Upscaling for Games” will present AMD’s latest research results in image upscaling technology and explain how this improves gaming experience. It should be noted though, that nowhere does AMD mention FSR or machine learning.

Those expecting demos or even teasers of the FSR 2.0 (FidelityFX Super Resolution) should probably lower their expectations. While AMD did mention that FSR will evolve and at some point we should expect a new version, we are now half-a-year away from AMD RDNA3 launch. This architecture should have dedicated GPU units for more sophisticated image upscaling acceleration.

[pax]

Some tidbits are coming out about it now. Sounds interesting:


https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status...75332829188097

CapFrameX
@CapFrameX
FSR 2.0 to come/announced soon. Saw some footage today. Very impressive. 😮

▶️ Temporal upscaling + optimized AA
▶️ Does not need AI
▶️ Runs on GPUs from all vendors
▶️ Impressive performance and image quality

AMD even claims that it can be better than native. ^^

#FSRGen2
4:06 PM · Mar 11, 2022·Twitter Web App

Story is its about as good as DLSS 2.0.

[SubCog]

Originally Posted by pax

Some tidbits are coming out about it now. Sounds interesting:


https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status...75332829188097





Story is its about as good as DLSS 2.0.

Of course FSR is going to improve alot with the next iteration. Keep in mind though, that DLSS 3.0 is right around the corner. It's highly unlikely that DLSS will be leap-frogged by a competitor. I guarantee that nvidia is investing ALOT more $$ and has ALOT more top-talent working on this than AMD. I've mentioned it before, but actually the lead architect of DLSS is a friend of mine.

Although I also think that we'll get to a point where all of the upscaling technologies are great and most people can't tell the difference. I already can't tell much difference between FSR and DLSS, unless somebody zooms way in and points out exactly which feature to pay attention to. I doubt I'd notice during actual gameplay.

So far it appears that DLSS will maintain it's lead as the best-of-the-best option, while FSR will become the ubiquitous democratized good-enough option. We'll see where intel's stuff falls in after that.

[pax]

Cool! I wonder what else they can do upscale wise with 3.0... I thought DLSS 2.3 was about as good as it can get.

[Trunks0]

Originally Posted by pax

Cool! I wonder what else they can do upscale wise with 3.0... I thought DLSS 2.3 was about as good as it can get.

Current rumour is it maybe addressing the raytracing element more directly. In which case I could see them doing something like... using an AI model to guesstimate rays instead of calculating them all based on a smaller number of jittered previous rays or something else. Who knows

[pax]

Now that would be interesting... God knows RT needs all the acceleration it can use.

[SubCog]

Well there's lots of other stuff that a DLSS 3.0 could address, beyond just graphics quality:

• Reduce the time/difficulty of implementation in games. That would help alot, and this is an area where AMD currently has a large advantage.
• Move toward a single AI model based on a single training set for everything, rather than individual models for each game. A universal model would be gold here.
• Implement at the driver level, make it available for every game regardless of specific implementations... of course this relies on the previous bullet.
• Improve overall performance, especially for mobile devices. FSR is a good deal more performant than DLSS, making it ideal for portable devices like SteamPad, Switch, or Quest2.
• Include DLSS fall-backs for older graphics cards and non-Nvidia hardware. That's what intel is doing, and likely what AMD is going to end up doing eventually. Sure you'll probably get the best quality & performance on newer nvidia cards, but it would be smart to get a DLSS-branded solution that can run on everything, especially xbox & playstation.

[SIrPauly]

May receive more info at GDC 22:

https://schedule.gdconf.com/speaker/...n-andrew/29643


https://schedule.gdconf.com/speaker/riley-colin/28321


https://schedule.gdconf.com/speaker/arcila-thomas/64925

[bill dennison]

Those expecting demos or even teasers of the FSR 2.0 (FidelityFX Super Resolution) should probably lower their expectations. While AMD did mention that FSR will evolve and at some point we should expect a new version, we are now half-a-year away from AMD RDNA3 launch. This architecture should have dedicated GPU units for more sophisticated image upscaling acceleration.

AMD FSR 1.0 launch was rather successful and has seen implementation in a large number of games, mainly because AMD open-sourced the code for all game developers to use. However, AMD now feels pressure not only from NVIDIA whose AI-based DLSS 2.0 is still better at lower resolutions, but also from Intel who are to launch its XeSS upscaling later this year.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-d...ng-at-gdc-2022

[SubCog]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-d...ng-at-gdc-2022

Well they're definitely going to show something this month, their presentation is titled "We're showing off our next generation upscaling", so it'd be embarrassing if they come with blank slides. That being said, they may not be announcing a 2.0 release date, or even anything branded "FSR" at all. It's totally conceivable that they'll just say "here's some stuff our researchers have been poking around with in our labs".

[pax]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fsr-...hes-march-17th

OK RSR in 3 days...

The information in this post is based on official slides, hence we will only report on what is confirmed thus far. AMD is announcing its FSR 2.0 technology on March 17th. This announcement comes 6 days ahead of the official GDC 2022 showcase where next-generation upscaling technology will be discussed.

As it turns out, the tip we received a few days ago about new upscaling tech in Deathloop is actually FSR 2.0. This title specifically is mentioned in the official slides, with a few side-by-side comparisons that we cannot share yet.

[SubCog]

Originally Posted by pax

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fsr-...hes-march-17th

OK RSR in 3 days...

Cool, I'm excited to see if this lets me get to native-res in MSFS on my Quest2. I'm nearly there already (with spacewarp), but just need a bit of a fps boost.

[pax]

They say its not as fast and slightly lower IQ then FSR due to doing it fullscreen. I cant imagine UQ mode will be much changed.

[SubCog]

Originally Posted by pax

They say its not as fast and slightly lower IQ then FSR due to doing it fullscreen. I cant imagine UQ mode will be much changed.

From what I've gathered, the quality should be identical, except that FSR allows the devs to choose when & what layers to apply the upscaling too... So devs can apply FSR before they apply any noise effects (which FSR will just smear), and also keep FSR separate from UI elements.

RSR will upscale everything, including UI elements and distortion effects, which may be sub-optimal for those components.

Otherwise FSR & RSR should be the same.

[Trunks0]

If you want an idea of what it will look like YouTube for vids of using FSR in Linux via the "proton fullscreen hack". Or vids using "Magpie" &/or "Lossless Scaling App". All these methods produce results that are going to be highly similar to what AMD is bringing driver side.

It works like a charm basically. I've had pretty great results in a few games using the lossless scaling app

[SubCog]

"Privacy View" seems like a neat feature. Looks like it uses a webcam to black/blur out parts of the screen that you're not looking at.

I wonder if they could leverage this capability into a foveated rendering solution? Theoretically you could bump up FPS alot by doubling down on this. We'll be seeing more foveated rendering happening in VR headsets this year, so it seems like this should eventually trickle down to PC gaming too. This, plus FSR, could be amazing at increasing battery life on gaming laptops.

https://youtu.be/OrJp1CPRJJE?t=18

[SubCog]

Looks like the update is out now, so that's neat. I'll have to play with it later today, after my morning meetings.

[Trunks0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKD98lTqilQ


One of our first looks at FSR 2.0 in DeathLoop. 2.0 is temporal like DLSS 2.x, but doesn't use a pre-trained AI.

[SubCog]

I've been playing with RSR this morning. It's neat. Some of my observations:

• Not as good as native (duh)
  
  
• Can look really good, scaling from 2560p to 1440p (I'm on a 1440p monitor). Definitely works best when scaling from higher resolutions.
  
  
• Still looks ok-ish scaling from 1080p to 1440p... maybe a bit better than having RSR turned off... but still pretty blurry.
  
  
• For best results, you should restart the game any time you change resolution. The scaling seems to be tied to whatever res the game boots at.
  
  
• In Doom Eternal, I had to disable "Present from compute", as that was adding significant input lag when running RSR.
  
  
• RSR works poorly with dynamic resolution scaling, or really any kind of in-game scaling. It really works best when you just stick to whatever resolution the game boots at. Too bad, 'cause I actually think FSR/RSR could be a killer feature if it worked great with dynamic scaling. Imagine running at native res, until you start dropping frames, at which point you drop resolution but turn on FSR, perfectly tuned for that lower resolution, and FSR dynamically adjusts along with the dynamic resolutions. I actually think that's the ultimate use-case for this kind of scaling tech. But no, it can't do anything like that in it's current form.
  
  
• Does not respect your aspect ratio settings. If you play a 4:3 game, it'll stretch it to fill your widescreen monitor. They'll definitely need to fix this in a later update.
  
  
• I tried some super-low resolutions in UT2004, just for giggles. It's actually a neat low-res filter.

This afternoon I'll try some VR stuff. I want to see if it plays nice with MSFS over Virtual Desktop, and also see if I can pump up the resolution in Robo Recall.

[Trunks0]

Personal fav with the Lossless Scaling App was to upscale from 900p to 1080p. Was a nice little boost with very small drop in quality

[SubCog]

So far the only game I've really found RSR to be useful for (beyond just checking out) on my system is Far Cry 3. Far Cry 3 is still strangely demanding at high resolutions, and bumping down the res a bit allows me to push all other settings to ultra and maintain high framerates. RSR adds a bit of crispness that was sorely missing when I bumped the resolution down without it. Maybe I'll finally give it a play-through?

I'm running a mid-range AMD gpu (6700xt) on a 144hz 1440p ultra-widescreen. It's plenty powerful enough for most everything I throw at it... although I admit I rarely buy new games, so I haven't tried Elden Ring or God of War or anything like that.

Doom Eternal can definitely chug with RT enabled, but it already has really great dynamic scaling built in, and RSR isn't really much of an improvement. I think I prefer just turning RT down low and running at full resolution.

I've been playing with RSR for VR, and I think there's alot of potential there, but definitely needs a bit more testing.

So RSR is a good feature, I'm glad to have it, but honestly has limited functionality unless you're running on a low-end GPU or trying to run cutting-edge games. I imagine this kind of stuff is going to be amazing for people playing on laptops though.

[Trunks0]

I think I might end up using RSR @ 3200x900 to 3840x1080p with Apex Legends. The frame rate boost seems to be helping me stay fluid... although I just might be having a good night . Further testing needed, as I wasn't paying attention to frame rates closely.

[pax]

Looks like FSR 2.0 will come to lower end HW after all:


https://twitter.com/Radeon/status/1506696898085892099

Radeon RX
@Radeon
·
58m
Broad hardware support remains a focus of #FSR 2.0, despite the higher demand of advanced temporal upscaling. While we're not constraining compatibility, we do have some recommendations for hardware and target upscaling resolutions.

Let us know how FSR works on your system!

Shows RX 590 and Vega series supported nice.

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/...unread-message

FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 Optimal Starting Level Hardware*

Target Upscaling Resolution AMD Graphics Cards NVIDIA® Graphics Cards

4K
Radeon™ RX 6700 XT​
Radeon™ RX 5700​
(And above)

GeForce RTX™ 3070​
GeForce RTX™ 2070​
(And above)

1440P
Radeon™ RX 6600​
Radeon™ RX 5600​
Radeon™ RX Vega Series​
(And above)

GeForce RTX™ 3060​
GeForce RTX™ 2060 ​
GeForce® GTX 1080
(And above)

1080P
Radeon™ RX 6500 XT​
Radeon™ RX 590​
(And above)

GeForce® GTX 16 Series​
GeForce® GTX 1070​
(And above)

*Recommendations may change.