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Old Aug 9, 2022, 08:39 PM   #721
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Nvidia also dropped the power for the 4070 and 4080. Sounds like they will now all be in the same ballpark.

Mind you Nvidia is using a smaller node


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Old Aug 12, 2022, 10:04 PM   #722
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https://twitter.com/SkyJuice60/statu...30277360185344

Some interesting info. Seems AMD might be trying to pull another 4870 here. 300mm2 for the gcd and 37 mm2 for the mcd's. Thats very small and could mean AMD pulls a perf to mm2 win. Also means cheap to make so maybe better MSRP.

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Old Aug 13, 2022, 07:33 AM   #723
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Perf to mm2? Some new metric we're going by to make AMD feel good or something
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Old Aug 13, 2022, 07:53 PM   #724
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It would just mean the engineering is ahead of Nvidias. Nvidia can go big and slightly win top end like it did during the GTX 280 vs HD 4870 but AMD had a smaller gpu at a price that was half that of the GTX 280.
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Old Aug 16, 2022, 12:39 AM   #725
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Over the top speculation but would be fun to see get done.


https://twitter.com/3DCenter_org/sta...93445054304256

Return of the dual gpu on one board?

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Over the top speculation but would be fun to see get done.


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If it's done via MCM the developers don't have to do anything. As it will operate like a monolithic design.

Cooling it however is another question. 4 Slot cooler collaboration with ICEGIANT?
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two GCD's on one chip not a duel crossfire card

it would be a big ass chip but still most likely aio water cooling
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Two gpus seen as one is probably not that far off, isn't apple already doing that with the m1 ultra?
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Two gpus seen as one is probably not that far off, isn't apple already doing that with the m1 ultra?

AMD was going to do it this time then hit a snafu and went with only one big GCD

they may have fixed it by now
they said they would before RDNA 4

if so most likely won't see them till Q1 next year

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Or its the mid gen refresh in late 2023... would make for a hell of a refresh if true.

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Or its the mid gen refresh in late 2023... would make for a hell of a refresh if true.

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Q1 as a ad on card or Q2 as a mid gen refresh

i think RDNA 4 will be Q3 2024 if late 23 might as well wait on RDNA 4
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Would be too pricey for most as a mid gen refresh true. A single rdna4 gpu could closely match it if its on 3nm. But they are already on a long 2 year cadence for new gpu gens and rdna4 could be pushed even later at the rate things are slowing.
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Would be too pricey for most as a mid gen refresh true. A single rdna4 gpu could closely match it if its on 3nm. But they are already on a long 2 year cadence for new gpu gens and rdna4 could be pushed even later at the rate things are slowing.

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Two gpus seen as one is probably not that far off, isn't apple already doing that with the m1 ultra?
Yup. AMD has already done it for CPU's with Threadripper and Epyc. They also released the CDNA2 Radeon Instinct MI200 that is MCM.

It wouldn't be a leap for them to do it.
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I don't think it'll be difficult for DX12, but for some reason I have a feeling MCM is going to be an issue with older APIs. I understand the driver will have it recognized as a single GPU, but it just can't be that simple to just *work*
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Question is, is the dual Navi 31 gpu simply 2 GCD's on one package or two packages each with their own set of MCD's and on board memory banks. Other than latencies does it make that big a diff to the driver? R295 seemed to run well under that latter format.

But hope its the former as it would mean one package and one onboard memory bank so overall cheaper to make and sell.

Hope we get a view of the package when they present it and we see a missing spot like we did for ryzen long before they came out with the dual cpu die.
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Question is, is the dual Navi 31 gpu simply 2 GCD's on one package or two packages each with their own set of MCD's and on board memory banks. Other than latencies does it make that big a diff to the driver? R295 seemed to run well under that latter format.

But hope its the former as it would mean one package and one onboard memory bank so overall cheaper to make and sell.

Hope we get a view of the package when they present it and we see a missing spot like we did for ryzen long before they came out with the dual cpu die.
don't think it will be CFX .
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https://wccftech.com/roundup/amd-radeon-rx-7800-xt/

650$ for the 7800xt but 999 for the 7900. Like last time but doubt many will pay 350$ for that extra 10%.

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don't think it will be CFX .
Always thought it was easier to do a driver for one board than 2 with the pcie bus being the big issue to manage. Read a bit on the R295 back then and some seemed to like it... course I could be way off base here its been a while.
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Always thought it was easier to do a driver for one board than 2 with the pcie bus being the big issue to manage. Read a bit on the R295 back then and some seemed to like it... course I could be way off base here its been a while.
i had a HD 5970 after that they got crazy with prices on the duel cards
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spec...n-hd-5970.c254

but it is the same Crossfire as having two cards and all the same problems

and two cards in two slots are easer to power and cool with water
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Will AMD go for raw power, or will they try to compete with NVIDIA on TDP?

AMD in its Ryzen 7000 launch event teased its next-generation Radeon graphics card based on the RDNA3 graphics architecture. Built on an advanced process node just like "Zen 4," AMD is hoping to repeat the magic of the RX 6000 series, by achieving a 50% performance-per-Watt gain over the previous generation. which allows it either to build some really efficient GPUs, or consume the power headroom to offer significantly higher performance at power levels similar as the current-gen.

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NV's pricing is better than ever right now. I think the percentages dropped harder due to NV selling more, so with the reduction of buyers, they have more to lose. I can't remember if it was confirmed whether NV was selling to miners or not - I do remember something about that, but can't remember if it was confirmed NV or if it was one of the AIBs.
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Coming to the details, the AMD RDNA 3 (GFX11) GPU lineup will feature double the L0 vector cache for each Compute Unit or CU and also double the GL1 data cache (RDNA L1 cache for each Shader Array or SA. As per the new information, the Vector Register File per SIMD will increase to 192KB vs 128KB on RDNA 2, the L0 Vector/Texture cache will increase from 16 KB to 32 KB per CU, the GPU L1 Data Cache per Shader Array will increase from 128 KB to 256 KB while the L2 Data Cache will remain the same as RDNA 2.
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Big cache changes usually means good perf improvement...
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