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Old Jan 26, 2021, 02:52 PM   #91
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Ampere is on samsung and that's the problem with it
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Read it one more time billy this time with your glasses on :3
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There are rumors about 4000 series already.I feel this generations 3000 from nvidia and 6000 from AMD are kinda dead.They were launched in a difficult period.RTX is very hard on the cards without DLSS.With Rasterization my vega56 can handle thing fine.Of course i am talking 60fps and without last triple stuff like Cyberpunk.I tested it and is not bad.From 40fps and above and high detail with some tweaks.Also the second hand market is a mess of overpriced stuff.
If i buy a new GPU i will do it for RTX.AMD 6000 sucks at this and also 3000 series in a way.I have to go up to 700 euros at least to get also 60fps RTX on 1080p.Another thing is i have plenty of old games that i haven't played and vega56 is fine for them.
With rtx 4000 series there will be a big crash of prices on 3000 series and older.Maybe RTX 4000 will bring the RTX 3080 performance to mainstream with all bells and whistles assuming the availability is fine.
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I'm afraid the RTX 4xxx series are not going to come down in price as and when released. In the UK the 3070 and 6800 are costing over £700 it's madness.
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Read it one more time billy this time with your glasses on :3
could be a typo and or some Ampere is on TSMC


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If this report turns out to be correct, then this will be NVIDIA’s first GPU lineup in quite a while to be fabbed on an advanced TSMC node. While Ampere is being manufactured by TSMC, Turing leveraged the older 14nm FinFet process, while AMD’s 1st Gen Navi lineup was produced on the twice as efficient 7nm process around the same time.
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could be a typo and or some Ampere is on TSMC
Or this article is just bad, misinformed conjecture?
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Or this article is just bad, misinformed conjecture?
maybe that is always a possibility with this stuff


but nvidia did just add in Lovelace in out of the blue and delayed hopper that was to be 2021 .... why

maybe to fix ampere's high wattage problem and they are not as ready as AMD for MCM
not going to do that on Samsung anytime soon
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Silly Billy!


The very first sentence of your links says: "According to a DigiTimes report, NVIDIA has already reached an agreement with TSMC regarding the fabrication of its next-gen Ada (Lovelace) GPUs. "

Yet when I looked at the actual source:


Nvidia, Qualcomm reportedly seeking TSMC support for next-generation manufacturing processes

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20210122PD208.html


Seems like your buddy "Areej" who wrote your article needs a lesson in reading comprehension. No where does that even remotely indicate lovelace will be on TSMC.

In fact, what it's really referring to is TSMC's 3nm process. Here's a better article from a slightly more reliable source, a small site known as "Gamers Nexus"

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/...a-mining-cards

Mario Morales, an analyst for market research firm IDC, notes that Apple, Qualcomm, and Nvidia will be the first to utilize TSMC’s 3nm process. TSMC has not yet announced any firm schedule for 2nm development or production.



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I'm excited for my rtx 4080, although I know these are the new prices.
They will NEVER come down again. I'm scared of the pricing scheme for the next gen of cards.

Do you gays think AMD/nvidia are dying to rush to the next gen and get those selling, or are they happy to sell this gen for as long as possible? There's still millions of gamers without cards.
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The end of the world isn't volcanoes or superstorms, it's the inability to buy and consume products because you're so dependent on this now. Imagine if you couldn't buy anything from phones to GPU's to TV's or anything silicon dependent because of permanent shortages or permanent manufacturing setbacks. I feel like rioting just thinking about it.


In all honesty we need our own manufacturing plants right here in North America. The world shouldn't depend on a specific region for almost all our silicon, insane that we have to. If a giant Tsunami wipes out those plants the world will be in a standstill for 5-7 years minimum, that's how long it would take to build a new plant from scratch.
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In all honesty we need our own manufacturing plants right here in North America. The world shouldn't depend on a specific region for almost all our silicon, insane that we have to. If a giant Tsunami wipes out those plants the world will be in a standstill for 5-7 years minimum, that's how long it would take to build a new plant from scratch.
Well, Samsung might help out in 2023: https://www.statesman.com/story/busi...in/6673682002/
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Cant happen soon enough. I know 10 billion sounds like a lot of money to invest(cause it is) but these companies are getting so many orders to manufacture it doesnt make sense that they havent started opening planets all across the globe to meet the demand.


Housing market in Austin must be booming more than it already has at this point.
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The end of the world isn't volcanoes or superstorms, it's the inability to buy and consume products because you're so dependent on this now. Imagine if you couldn't buy anything from phones to GPU's to TV's or anything silicon dependent because of permanent shortages or permanent manufacturing setbacks. I feel like rioting just thinking about it.

In all honesty we need our own manufacturing plants right here in North America. The world shouldn't depend on a specific region for almost all our silicon, insane that we have to. If a giant Tsunami wipes out those plants the world will be in a standstill for 5-7 years minimum, that's how long it would take to build a new plant from scratch.
A bit apocalyptic don't you think? I've got a gaming rig that will last me for a few years, new S21 arriving tomorrow so that can last a while. I still have my wife's old iPhone 6S running beta software for a laugh, a 10 year old Mac Mini still going strong and at least four laptops dating back a while and still running strong. Not to mention a Surface Pro 4 still working perfectly.

I think we'll we'll survive.
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Did they name their next core after Ada Lovelace or Linda Lovelace? Because the latter might be more appropriate. "Hey gamers, get f----d!"
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The end of the world isn't volcanoes or superstorms, it's the inability to buy and consume products because you're so dependent on this now. Imagine if you couldn't buy anything from phones to GPU's to TV's or anything silicon dependent because of permanent shortages or permanent manufacturing setbacks. I feel like rioting just thinking about it.


In all honesty we need our own manufacturing plants right here in North America. The world shouldn't depend on a specific region for almost all our silicon, insane that we have to. If a giant Tsunami wipes out those plants the world will be in a standstill for 5-7 years minimum, that's how long it would take to build a new plant from scratch.
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Cant happen soon enough. I know 10 billion sounds like a lot of money to invest(cause it is) but these companies are getting so many orders to manufacture it doesnt make sense that they havent started opening planets all across the globe to meet the demand.


Housing market in Austin must be booming more than it already has at this point.
north america needs to do alot more than just build fabs, last time i checked we dont have a rare earth supply chain here.(Mountain pass in cali doesnt have all the required materials and is ironically partly chinese owned) Can build 100 fabs and would still be reliant on china/asia for wafer production.
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north america needs to do alot more than just build fabs, last time i checked we dont have a rare earth supply chain here.(Mountain pass in cali doesnt have all the required materials and is ironically partly chinese owned) Can build 100 fabs and would still be reliant on china/asia for wafer production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Pass_mine

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine....h-supply-chain

i'm sure it will be stopped now just like keystone
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More ram would be good. I've seen ram usage right at the 9+gb mark for Apex already so more games down the line will probably be more ram hungry.
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Seems like a non purchase. If 4000 series comes out end of this year the extra ~300$ for a 3080 20 GB will make you feel like a chump.
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how many times is this rumor been regurgitated now 20 or 25


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More ram would be good. I've seen ram usage right at the 9+gb mark for Apex already so more games down the line will probably be more ram hungry.
more ram would be nice but 20gb is a waste .

4k could use 12 to 16 gb sure
and the card is not got the power for 8k even if SLI still worked


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20gb would most likely make it cost almost as much as a 3090 or more than the 3090 current price if they do jack up the 3090 price also



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i think it's all bait and switch come out with a low MSRP and no stock then find reason to jack the price up when stock is starting to improve

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i think it's all bait and switch come out with a low MSRP and no stock then find reason to jack the price up when stock is starting to improve
That goes both ways Bill. Even MBA 6800/6900XT's are going for >£200 over MSRP and AIB's even more. AMD despite promising to produce more cards at MSRP have produced nothing.
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how many times is this rumor been regurgitated now 20 or 25
Still less times than your insisting on RDNA 7 coming out Q4 21.
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Still less times than your insisting on RDNA 3 coming out Q4 21.
Fix it it's RDNA 3.
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Fix it it's RDNA 3.
that is coming in 14 months or less
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