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Old May 2, 2012, 02:53 PM   #1
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Default The only blackberry concept phone I'd consider buying

This thing is pure sex. If RIM knows what's good for them, they'll be trying to emulate this concept for consumers later this year.



The company showcased their blackberry 10 OS yesterday, which was lackluster. I really couldn't care less as I use almost no android apps on my current phone, just use it for Internet browsing, email and text. The pictured design would be a huge success for the company.
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Old May 2, 2012, 03:00 PM   #2
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Totally should of taken the Curve name over, or Curve 2.
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Neat concept, but the OS/ecosystem is still going to be its weak point. That and I can't stand those dinky keyboards.
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Very nice phone but most phones are the same nowadays, it boils down to the apps(and cost) for me. So as much as I like my current Blackberry, my next phone will most certainly be something else.
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Hmm, this phone is impossible to make. There was a similar concept, but once made was about 5x thicker.

Well, that's obviously just became the Torch. You can't have a really thin phone if you're doing slide the mechanical parts inside are physically impossible to get smaller / tougher unless you use some kind of ridiculous material.
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what if the keypad itself was a touchscreen?

And isnt the Xperia arc somewhat curved like that? But i dont think it has a slideout keypad.....
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IMHO Backberry is doomed. What little corperate techie fan-base they HAD is being soaked up by Android and now in a bigger way with Windows Phone. I would be SHOCKED if they still make their OS for phones in 5 years.
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what if the keypad itself was a touchscreen?

And isnt the Xperia arc somewhat curved like that? But i dont think it has a slideout keypad.....
If the keypad was a touch screen, why not just make a touch screen phone?

You have to think about costs, engineering and product marketing.

The amount of money it'll cost to engineer this "slide touchscreen" would cost a lot more than just a single touchscreen since you now have to worry about 2 touch screens. Furthermore, the only benefits of a keypad is tactile typing, nothing more, so a touch screen keypad is just as good as a on screen keypad, therefore no manager is gonna buy your idea.

Anyhoo, honestly, Apple lead the way, and everyone else copied them. BlackBerry had an ego and a reputation of keypad devices and didn't realize that Apple was right (nearly all the time)

If it wasn't for Apple coming in with iphone, android and the whole touch based smartphone market probably wouldnt have been even created, since Android would've just competed with BlackBerry's keypad style devices (as it was original designed for)
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If it wasn't for Apple coming in with iphone, android and the whole touch based smartphone market probably wouldnt have been even created, since Android would've just competed with BlackBerry's keypad style devices (as it was original designed for)


bull. there were touch screen phones before apple came on to the scene.

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Although the 9900/9930 still has a small screen, I have to say we got one of these phones at work and it is REALLY nice. The build quality and materials actually feels on-par with iPhone4:
http://us.blackberry.com/smartphones...old-9900-9930/

Now we see the Blade, and it's clear to me RIM is finally getting the message that they need to adapt to survive. I like the look of this phone you posted, it's impressive looking, but I gotta say that keyboard looks awful cramp when compared to a landscape slider.
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bull. there were touch screen phones before apple came on to the scene.
They were resistive, not capacitive meaning most had the use of stylus to work.
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They were resistive, not capacitive meaning most had the use of stylus to work.
not all of them. e.g. the prada phone by lg. there was even a linux based phone that used the gestures apple uses for the iphone like pinching to zoom out at least a year before apple.

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I think you're still missing the point that before the iphone, touch-based smartphones were gimmicky and a tiny niche market.
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Apple didn't invent penicilin, nuclear fision or the toaster. They took existing tech and put it together in a better way. There is nothing unique, magical or revolutionary in that, no matter how hard they try to convince us.
If Apple didn't exist, another company would have done it. If Google weren't here, other people would have done what they done, with another company.
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I don't think Wanks mentioned any of that. It's also kind of silly to suggest that the confluence of talents, development, ideas, etc that lead to one product could have been duplicated exactly by a completely different pool.

The fact is, similar devices were around before the iPhone but none of them gained critical mass. Apple leveraged their iPod and iTunes success, which no one else developed through "natural and logical manner".

I'm not saying they're the sole innovators in the smartphone industry but they've clearly defined some significant milestones. To say that anyone else could have done it is to ignore the chain of choices, business development, successes and failures, that make up the industry's reality as it is today.

To bring it back to the original topic, RIM's position as innovator has fallen BECAUSE they've ignored or misunderstood their position in that continuum. They're still trying to chase after Apple/Android's lifestyle market without distinguishing themselves from the pack (outside of negative ways, like inferior hardware, performance/security issues, poor PR, etc). Even the hardware keypad, which has always been a BB strength, is now becoming a liability to the next generation of smartphones. Maybe if they could somehow innovate the ergonomics of human interface on the new BBs, they'd have a chance at staying relevant...
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I dunno but from what ive seen with BBOS10 it seems pretty damn good and very promising. It looks like they may have found a good touchscreen answer for people loving the physical keyboard. The way new word gesturing works and being able to type and control the phone with one hand seems really ideal and promising. I really liked what i saw in the keynote presentation, they may have a strong push back. Lets just hope they can get everything sorted out and delivered ON TIME.
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I dunno but from what ive seen with BBOS10 it seems pretty damn good and very promising. It looks like they may have found a good touchscreen answer for people loving the physical keyboard. The way new word gesturing works and being able to type and control the phone with one hand seems really ideal and promising. I really liked what i saw in the keynote presentation, they may have a strong push back. Lets just hope they can get everything sorted out and delivered ON TIME.
I saw nothing to get excited about in the keynote. The OS looks like the one used on Playbooks, which is efficient and easy to use but not revolutionary. Predictive text with a swipe isn't going to be enough to regain market share and people have no reason to switch back with their lack of apps. iOS and android already do everything.

Bottom line: They need to pull off a physical design winner with their next phone to get people to buy.
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Look for some of the CASCADES demos for BB's OS10. Some neato stuff coming.

Lack of apps? Don't need a zillion apps when you can surf the net with full HTML5 compat'.

Someone mentioned Inferior hardware? Inferior OS? You don't have a playbook do you?

Lately appworld has been flooded with android apps. Compared to native playbook apps they're less than ideal and not a deal breaker by any means.
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HTML5 compat is nice but sorry, it doesn't replace apps. I use my phone as a fitness tracker, photo editor, reference encyclopedia, gps navigator, media and gaming device on the go. You can't do some of those via websites alone.

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Those apps are all on appworld for the playbook.
Times have changed.

It's not a smarthphone yet, but can be tethered for an xtra smart phone.
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Those apps are all on appworld for the playbook.
Times have changed.
Not really, app selection is still poor (AAA apps are still not there, ports seem hit or miss). Check out top paid apps by popularity and rating and compare those to iOS or Android.

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I have a 7" tablet as well, it doesn't fit the same role for portability as a smartphone.
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Apple didn't invent penicilin, nuclear fision or the toaster. They took existing tech and put it together in a better way. There is nothing unique, magical or revolutionary in that, no matter how hard they try to convince us.
If Apple didn't exist, another company would have done it. If Google weren't here, other people would have done what they done, with another company.
This is technology and marketing, not Mozart, Michael Jordan or Shakespeare. It's something which evolves in a natural and logical manner, not one time "the planets have aligned" genius.
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Apple didn't invent penicilin, nuclear fision or the toaster. They took existing tech and put it together in a better way. There is nothing unique, magical or revolutionary in that, no matter how hard they try to convince us.
If Apple didn't exist, another company would have done it. If Google weren't here, other people would have done what they done, with another company.
This is technology and marketing, not Mozart, Michael Jordan or Shakespeare. It's something which evolves in a natural and logical manner, not one time "the planets have aligned" genius.
Agreed and quite possibly the first and only time I'll see a reference of Mozart, Jordan and Shakespeare in the same sentence and it makes sense.
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