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Old Aug 19, 2021, 02:57 PM   #31
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Didn't they rename the process? 14 is the new 7?
who know I gave up on Intel with the first Ryzen and the 12th +

and am now waiting on NV to get a big dose of the same AMD chiplet love long time
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Didn't they rename the process? 14 is the new 7?
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who know I gave up on Intel with the first Ryzen and the 12th +

and am now waiting on NV to get a big dose of the same AMD chiplet love long time
Yes, they renamed them...

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Ok, Intel, sure thing.
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Makes perfect sense. Stupid people think that the larger number is automatically worse because they don't know that there is no set standard for the numerical indicator.
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Find this hard to believe, got a link?
No sadly was some time ago...

I cant see intel putting out something is only low end. Especially if they intend to run RT.
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I like the idea behind XeSS, even though Intel offered a small sampling example, did look impressive. Maybe, this Intel open version may force Nvidia to open up Dlss more.
A little more leaked about XeSS here.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021...-made-by-tsmc/
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If Intel can compete solidly there is huge base of gamers that haven't upgraded to ray tracing hardware yet.
if raja has not used AMD hardware and put them into patent infringement
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Rumors you say? Sure, no problem with those.
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Doubling down on my rumors comment I was echoing the article regarding the rumored, potential performance

I would love to see a serious competitor that can potentially make NV and AMD lower their costs a bit.
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Unfortunately I believe high cost is here to stay until we have supply and then all prices will fall, sometime in 2023 if we are lucky!
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or you know... more places that can actually fab the chips

Where down to how many? 2? 3? Even Intel is having to lean on TSMC as they can't even fab their own GPU right now.
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or you know... more places that can actually fab the parts
THAT would help.

WTF happened with Global Foundries?
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According to the Wall Street Journal, Intel is thinking about purchasing Global Foundries.
Yeah apparently the CEO of Global Foundries shut that down

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I can see why Intel would want to though. They are completely tapped out and years out till they can finally get back on track after the 10nm boondoggle.
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Yeah apparently the CEO of Global Foundries shut that down

https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-intere...s-ceo-responds



I can see why Intel would want to though. They are completely tapped out and years out till they can finally get back on track after the 10nm boondoggle.
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Btw, if you want to get a rough estimation of what the full sized Intel GPU could do:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16658...-competitive/2

The 11900K with 32 EUs get 10.5 FPS on max at 1080p on Civ 6.

Given that:
* given that Intel's high end chip is estimated to have 512 of its EUs (the number still roughly checks out even if you include the latest architecture)
* graphics performance scales almost linearly as you increase core counts (perfectly parallel workload)
* we are ignoring the impact of a card having dedicated memory (this works in favour of Intel, given current performance shares system RAM + cache)

You get 10.5 fps * (512 EUs / 32 EUs) = 168 fps at 1080p on max settings.

That's compared with the ~200 fps a 3070 gets. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...dition/11.html
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Will see it when I believe it.
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Btw, if you want to get a rough estimation of what the full sized Intel GPU could do:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16658...-competitive/2

The 11900K with 32 EUs get 10.5 FPS on max at 1080p on Civ 6.

Given that:
* given that Intel's high end chip is estimated to have 512 of its EUs (the number still roughly checks out even if you include the latest architecture)
* graphics performance scales almost linearly as you increase core counts (perfectly parallel workload)
* we are ignoring the impact of a card having dedicated memory (this works in favour of Intel, given current performance shares system RAM + cache)

You get 10.5 fps * (512 EUs / 32 EUs) = 168 fps at 1080p on max settings.

That's compared with the ~200 fps a 3070 gets. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...dition/11.html
Its also assuming the arc will be the exact same thing as whatever is integrated into that CPU, as opposed to having any kind of core tweaks between that and release.
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I have come to take Intel prerelease stuff with a grain of salt. These last few years the marketing team there has made mountains out of molehills. So this is very much a wait and see thing for me.

I still feel like Intel will try to force companies like Dell and HP to put these cards in their lower end PC.
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I have come to take Intel prerelease stuff with a grain of salt. These last few years the marketing team there has made mountains out of molehills. So this is very much a wait and see thing for me.

I still feel like Intel will try to force companies like Dell and HP to put these cards in their lower end PC.
Force? or just give them a sweet deal they'd be stupid not to take?
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Force? or just give them a sweet deal they'd be stupid not to take?
Depends how much 'intel inside' they want dell and HP to bend over and take.

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I still think with Raja the very first thing Intel will have is a lawsuit from both AMD and NV
I'm sure there's more than two ways to make a product. Let's see what comes out of Intel. Raja has had time and money behind him, who knows.
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I'm sure there's more than two ways to make a product. Let's see what comes out of Intel. Raja has had time and money behind him, who knows.
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and I think he will take the easy way and this will be vega 3 or he will use AMD mcm tech and that is why Intel is trying to get out first
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but he f'ed up both vega's
and I think he will take the easy way and this will be vega 3 or he will use AMD mcm tech and that is why Intel is trying to get out first
If I was a betting man I'd say that's an easy wager.
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I still think with Raja the very first thing Intel will have is a lawsuit from both AMD and NV
Intel's way too smart for that. You can bet they've had patent lawyers pouring all over alchemist to make sure their is no blowback on them lawsuit wise. Plus Intel has way more money than AMD and could probably drag any law suit out for years. Let's just see what the performance is like first.
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Intel's way too smart for that. You can bet they've had patent lawyers pouring all over alchemist to make sure their is no blowback on them lawsuit wise. Plus Intel has way more money than AMD and could probably drag any law suit out for years. Let's just see what the performance is like first.
net worth 133.33B to $217.09B isn't that big and AMD is growing faster now


I think AMD's patent lawyers and the courts would stop them if they did play fast and loose with intellectual property

and you can bet $557.83B NV's patent lawyers will be watching also
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It will be very interesting to see if they can manage RTX 3070 level of performance. I don't expect ray tracing performance to be the same level though given how nVIDIA loves to use proprietary tech.

Even though my laptop barely has any Intel parts (Razer Blade 14) it will be awesome to have an all Intel system that competes head to head with nVIDIA and AMD in a couple of years.
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The more competition the better, but I really have my doubts about 3070 level performance.
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