GAS

[Tyr-Sog]

I drive 35-38K a year.

It's hurting the wallet for sure. $6 plus they are talking about for summer? Yikes!

I baby my twin turbos but she still like to drink. If I get on it she guzzles for sure.

Maybe it's time to move on to a hybrid.

But I hate car payments.

[Lazy8s]

It’s a pain point for sure. I’m so glad I have a company paid gas account for my work truck. We saw $4.79 in my neighborhood yesterday which is, or is close to an all time high for any of the local gas stations.

My concern is, the last time gas neared these prices quite a few people (a lot) had their gas tanks punctured to steal fuel. I’m pretty sure it will happen again.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Tyr-Sog

I baby my twin turbos but she still like to drink. If I get on it she guzzles for sure.

What you drive?

[KAC]

Go full electric. Plenty of cheap cars out now.

[dodger]

Yeah I saw $4.19 and I live in refinery town. If I wasn't WFH would definitely go looking for an EV or at least hybrid.

[Nunz]

Still filling up 93. Full send.

[bill dennison]

put 125 bucks in the escalade at 4.999 for regular gas for 87
that was the lowest some are 5.299
i'm going thru 225 to 300 bucks a week in gas at 22 miles per gallon in the nissan frontier


i get the buy electric buy electric mantra all the time from people
but you can't because nothing new is available in a electric trucks or most cars or gas hybrid for that matter
and it's not going to get any better for years

[shrike126]

I remember stories back in the 90's about how we were only a decade away from peak oil being a thing and how it would continue to get more expensive every year after that. Then shale fracking happened which kicked the can down the road a few decades. But the gas price pain we're feeling now was always inevitable. Even IF we pretend climate change isn't a thing, there will be an end to how much we can cheaply extract and produce.

[Silent-Runner]

yes, i am aware it's a skit, but....well...

[Greasy]

It's definitely not helping with inflation. Buying a new or used car isn't exactly easy or cheap right now either. Hello upcoming recession. We had a good few years, and I hope your visit is short...

[Greasy]

Originally Posted by KAC

Go full electric. Plenty of cheap cars out now.

Not in the US, and define "cheap". What you and I can afford is much much more than the avg American who's struggling big time right now to just put food on the table and get to work.

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by Greasy

Not in the US, and define "cheap". What you and I can afford is much much more than the avg American who's struggling big time right now to just put food on the table and get to work.

cheap

well first since 99.9% of houses in the US are not set up to charge a car or truck

LEAF starts at 27k and needs 30 Amp breaker for a level 2 home charger

the Lighting starts at 41k and goes to 65k+ fast need a 45 Amp or 100 Amp breaker for a home charger

so add 2500 to 6000 for a new service and breaker box and running a wire to the garage or carport
and 25k to 55k for solar

[Tyr-Sog]

Originally Posted by acroig

What you drive?

Flex

[Tyr-Sog]

Hybrid makes sense I guess.

Full electric not so much.

I've had the Rav4 hybrid on my radar for a while now.
The Rave is sort of small but has some size with decent gas mileage. Interior is junk and
I can't stand the look of the interior. Especially the info system that sticks up.
Maybe it's time.

Just wait for when this becomes common.

https://www.wzzm13.com/article/tech/...9-b8d4cf9d4cc3

Good luck with full electric. I'm sure other issues will arise too.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...lant-michigan/

not good.

[Nunz]

We've been living in a bubble of cheap gas for years now. Everywhere else in the world (developed, at least) has been paying $5/gal or more for a long time. The low prices we experienced were only going to last so long.

What our State Govt's should do is roll back the gas taxes slightly to alleviate some of the increased cost.. but I don't think that will ever happen

Until world politics settle down and the demand on OPEC gas is reduced, prices are only going to go up. Lots of European countries rejecting Russian fuel/gas is pushing their demand on to the suppliers the U.S. mainly use. Until that changes, all we can do is either use Federal $$ to subsidize some of the cost, reduce State Gas Tax to alleviate the increased cost, or simply let fuel costs skyrocket.

If you guys think $5/gal is bad, you have no idea what it's like in Germany. Try $5+ per LITER.. if you're lucky.

[Silent-Runner]

Originally Posted by Nunz

If you guys think $5/gal is bad, you have no idea what it's like in Germany. Try $5+ per LITER.. if you're lucky.

nah, it's not THAT bad right now, it's more around 2€ a liter, but still expensive. It was as low as 1.40 not long ago

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by Silent-Runner

nah, it's not THAT bad right now, it's more around 2€ a liter, but still expensive. It was as low as 1.40 not long ago

Damn. When I was in Trier, gas prices were around 3.40 Euro per Liter iirc. It's crazy.

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Damn. When I was in Trier, gas prices were around 3.40 Euro per Liter iirc. It's crazy.

To facilitate and foster cross-border trade and to prevent significant competitive distortions, the European Union requires EU countries to levy a minimum excise duty of €0.36 per liter (US $1.55 per gallon) on gas. As today’s map shows, only Bulgaria and Hungary stick to the minimum rate, while all other EU countries opt to levy higher excise duties on gas.

a lot of that is taxes
https://taxfoundation.org/gas-taxes-...on)%20on%20gas.

[ice]

Both my cars need 93. I don't look at the price anymore.

[pax]

2$ CAD a liter going to 3$ by summer. Thats ~12$ a gallon. Im parking the truck and walken... because... you know... anyway... its good for you.

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by pax

2$ CAD a liter going to 3$ by summer. Thats ~12$ a gallon. Im parking the truck and walken... because... you know... anyway... its good for you.

this looks like fun





if it hits 12 bucks a gallon i'll quite and go on welfare

[pax]

I have tiny gastank in the Rav4 and it can cost up to 130$ to fill up. Tho usually I fill up before its dead empty fuel pump and all, I did run over 100$ for ~50 out of the 65 liters recently.

[pax]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

this looks like fun





if it hits 12 bucks a gallon i'll quite and go on welfare

Get that in an ebike 1000w motor. ~100 km daily range in the larger batteries. Id bet you could tow quite a bit.

[Greasy]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

cheap

well first since 99.9% of houses in the US are not set up to charge a car or truck

LEAF starts at 27k and needs 30 Amp breaker for a level 2 home charger

the Lighting starts at 41k and goes to 65k+ fast need a 45 Amp or 100 Amp breaker for a home charger

so add 2500 to 6000 for a new service and breaker box and running a wire to the garage or carport
and 25k to 55k for solar

Just get an EV... -Butigedge or whatever his name is... ****ing clown.

[Renocide]

Hybrid Ioniq get's 50 mpg
Hybrid Pacifica get's 32 mpg with 32 miles EV range
Hybrid Niro get's 50 mpg

Gas here hit 4.99 a couple of days ago. Back down to 4.89.

I'm not really feeling to much pain at this point.

A few years back when gas jumped up I sold the Mustang GT and the Honda CRV and went hybrid.

I could see where it was going.

Wife just switched to a new school that is 8 miles away. With the Pacifica 32 mile electric range she won't be burning gas at all.

Average gas milage of US personal vehicles is 25.4mpg.

[Lazy8s]

The only EV that would really make sense for us right now would be an R1T or Lightning as the truck is getting lots of miles these days, and will be the primary hauler for the wife’s business. The numbers don’t really work for us though, unless someone takes pity and gives us the vehicle lol.

That, and I really want one…but needs>wants at the moment.

[Riptide]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Lots of European countries rejecting Russian fuel/gas is pushing their demand on to the suppliers the U.S. mainly use.

It's all one big market. Customers who are willing to take Russian petroleum will reduce their demand on US production which should free up that supply for those that refuse to get anything from Russia. It should mostly just equalize itself out.

Haven't sold any cars I just tend to drive the v8 only a day or two out of the week and stick with my 4cyl commuter most of the time.

[bill dennison]

Originally Posted by Renocide

Hybrid Ioniq get's 50 mpg
Hybrid Pacifica get's 32 mpg with 32 miles EV range
Hybrid Niro get's 50 mpg

Gas here hit 4.99 a couple of days ago. Back down to 4.89.

I'm not really feeling to much pain at this point.

A few years back when gas jumped up I sold the Mustang GT and the Honda CRV and went hybrid.

I could see where it was going.

Wife just switched to a new school that is 8 miles away. With the Pacifica 32 mile electric range she won't be burning gas at all.

Average gas milage of US personal vehicles is 25.4mpg.

a f150 supercrew 3.5l powerboost full hybrid v6 engine set up just like the Lighting and gets 24 MPG and costs 65K
that is about 2 MPG more than i get in my nissan frontier or not once i put racks and tool on the F150

hybrid truck is not really worth it when the Lighting is only 15K more

[Renocide]

Originally Posted by bill dennison

a f150 supercrew 3.5l powerboost full hybrid v6 engine set up just like the Lighting and gets 24 MPG and costs 65K
that is about 2 MPG more than i get in my nissan frontier or not once i put racks and tool on the F150

hybrid truck is not really worth it when the Lighting is only 15K more

If you need one for work I can understand but if anyone is driving around with a V8 as their personal vehicle...get your head checked.

You should have seen the writing on the wall years ago.

I remember a few years ago after I just got the Niro a guy pulled up next to me at the pumps and saw the Niro...

"You know those are not quality cars and those batteries are going to fail and end up in a land fill and this truck is going to go on forever, right?"

He was driving some jacked giant Ford truck probably getting 15 mpg.

I just said "Sure." and drove on.

I'm still driving that Niro with 180k miles on it with zero issues.

I figure that dude is somewhere right now bitching about gas prices.

If I had a "normal" mpg car for the US those 180k miles would have cost me around $26k dollars in fuel where as the Niro cost me $12k.

And the car was only $24k when I purchased it.

[Riptide]

Some people can afford to pay for the fuel, don't put a lot of miles on cars, or have a second car for daily driver duty.

Not sure why I need my 'head checked' because I might fall into one or more of the above categories.