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Old Dec 15, 2021, 10:52 AM   #391
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Yeah, doesn't mine as well because the memory bandwidth is poor.

The hash difference is fitting for 448gb/s vs 512gb/s. Infinity Cache doesn't do anything - card still performs exactly as a 256-bit bus with gddr6 would.

AMD needs to make a big step with memory on the 7000 series, otherwise it'll be the limiting factor on the card at 4K. If they increase memory throughput, you'll see the mining capability skyrocket.

I truly hope they don't make the mistake of a 256-bit bus again, and drop the gimmick infinity cache that did nothing for the 6000 series.
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if it's NV a lot would not care if the 4090 is only 30% faster than a 3090 and 1000 watts and is 4500 USD and needs a add on chilled water cooler and sound like a lawn mower they will find a way to justify not buying AMD even if 50% faster than the 4090 and 1500 USD

like first will be

but ..... but ..... but ... drivers
Not me. If the 7900 turns out to be as good a card as you think (taken with a grain of salt) and costs £1,500 I'll probably buy it TBH. THe only caveat is it has to be air cooled as I don't do water cooling. Well not yet anyway And before you say anything, yes I've tended to slag off AMD drivers but to be fair I did own AMD cards for 10 years so I earned the right.

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It doesn't matter as seems AMD cards are gold for miners...
The balance of powers

Anyway if those MSRP sticks and 7700 is as best as a 6900xt at half price and added an RTX tensors equivalent then is worth waiting.
badsykes prices are not coming down anytime soon I'm afraid. Here in the UK we're back to working from home if you can (I can but I don't..I'm a rebel) so prices are going up again on GPU's. A new 6900XT is £1,800 and a new 3090 £2,100.

I saw a 2nd hand Palit 3090 in a nationwide retail store for £2,300 and for a laugh I asked them how much they would give me for my card and they offered me £1,800 or £250 more than I paid for it and it's 12 moths old this week. They had a Red Devil 6900XT for £1,200 so I could have sold my card and pocketed £600. I politely declined their offer.

The moral of this story is the 7700 is not going to be half the price and as powerful as a 6900XT. Sadly high prices will be with us for longer than people think because there are people who will pay the price.
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Old Dec 22, 2021, 01:51 PM   #394
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2K for a 4080Ti? F that nonsense.
the jacket is going to repeat the 2000 series pricing on mega steroids
remember the 2000's were after the 1080 ti's were selling for 1600+ because of mining
what is the 3090 and 3080 ti selling for on Ebay for now ?
this mining is going to kill most gamers .

the jacket knows they will be scalped that high or higher he is not going to toss all that cash in the trash again
if he thought he could get away with doubling the MSRP of the 3000's he would


he can lower prices later if needed but expect very high NV 4000 MSRP's for the first 6 months or so


AMD will be lower but not much they need the gamers buying their cards more

if the 7900 xt is as good as they say i won't like it but i will have to pay the 1500 for it but i would not go for the 7950 xt

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Not me. If the 7900 turns out to be as good a card as you think (taken with a grain of salt) and costs £1,500 I'll probably buy it TBH. THe only caveat is it has to be air cooled as I don't do water cooling. Well not yet anyway And before you say anything, yes I've tended to slag off AMD drivers but to be fair I did own AMD cards for 10 years so I earned the right.



badsykes prices are not coming down anytime soon I'm afraid. Here in the UK we're back to working from home if you can (I can but I don't..I'm a rebel) so prices are going up again on GPU's. A new 6900XT is £1,800 and a new 3090 £2,100.

I saw a 2nd hand Palit 3090 in a nationwide retail store for £2,300 and for a laugh I asked them how much they would give me for my card and they offered me £1,800 or £250 more than I paid for it and it's 12 moths old this week. They had a Red Devil 6900XT for £1,200 so I could have sold my card and pocketed £600. I politely declined their offer.

The moral of this story is the 7700 is not going to be half the price and as powerful as a 6900XT. Sadly high prices will be with us for longer than people think because there are people who will pay the price.

What kind of people will pay another round (in q4 2022) this prices ? Many who have money already bought 3000 series..Will they have another 2000 euros to pay again ?
Also the current prices begin at 600 euros (6600 and 2060) .... Who will pay this prices in the lower end ?
Let's say miners will replace most of their cards .... The second hand market will reiceive a flood of 3000 series and 6000 series that now in retail costs hefty prices ?
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What kind of people will pay another round (in q4 2022) this prices ? Many who have money already bought 3000 series..Will they have another 2000 euros to pay again ?
Also the current prices begin at 600 euros (6600 and 2060) .... Who will pay this prices in the lower end ?
Let's say miners will replace most of their cards .... The second hand market will reiceive a flood of 3000 series and 6000 series that now in retail costs hefty prices ?
nope unless proof of stake ever gets turned on but it's over what a full year late now and not going in to june now
they keep pushing it off 6 months

without that most miners will keep going with the 3000 cards they got and keep sucking up all of both 3000's and 4000's they can get
hell some are using 3060's or lower and 2000 cards for mining now

or bitcoin dropping back to 2000 or lower
that is what happened last time to flood the second hand market bitcoin died



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ETH will die a slow death if it doesnt goto POS. You have other chains that are POS that are starting to catch up like Polygon.

But if those prices are msrp well then its game over. I know I wont be paying 500$ for some low end 128 mem bus crap.
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nope unless proof of stake ever gets turned on but it's over what a full year late now and not going in to june now
they keep pushing it off 6 months

without that most miners will keep going with the 3000 cards they got and keep sucking up all of both 3000's and 4000's they can get
hell some are using 3060's or lower and 2000 cards for mining now

or bitcoin dropping back to 2000 or lower
that is what happened last time to flood the second hand market bitcoin died



i hope MCM sucks ass at mining .
and they won't want any RDNA 3 cards as NV card are better at mining
Just read about proof of stake..Didn't know what that was until you posted.


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2K for a 4080Ti? F that nonsense.
Look at the sources... lol

Bill will latch on to anything that fits the narrative he wants when it comes to NV being evil.
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Look at the sources... lol

Bill will latch on to anything that fits the narrative he wants when it comes to NV being evil.
Nv is not evil.I feel nv created a cult.It's disciples will sacrifice for the master.
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No, I don't think so. I think people will spend more to have the best and no one was able to anticipate just how much people would be willing to spend.
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No, I don't think so. I think people will spend more to have the best and no one was able to anticipate just how much people would be willing to spend.
So you think if AMD will have a better card next round people will switch ?
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we will see
but we are in the same boat this time as when the 2000's came out only now bitcoin is higher and still going
if GPU mining has not been turned off by proof of stake or the death of bitcoin by the time they come out prices will be high as hell

and no i do NV is evil

but i do think they will do anything they can to maximize profits .
it is their #1 job, i just think they do it too well


and if you don't think the jacket isn't getting a ear full from people that matter like big shareholders that the MSRP on the 3080 FE is 699 but is selling on ebay for 1500 to 2000 bucks
i got this bridge to sell

i wonder just how much money they lost there not pricing the 3080 FE at 999 or even 1199 from the start

or do you really think the 3080 ti is really worth almost double the price for what 5% to 10%

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The 3080ti is more than 5-10% but again, you'll latch on to what fits your narrative. I had a 3080 and now a 3080ti.. not even close to 5-10% especially when tuned.

Their job is to make profits just like AMD. I didn't see you blasting Ryzen 5000 even though they overpriced the entire lineup due to a lack of competition...
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The 3080ti is more than 5-10% but again, you'll latch on to what fits your narrative. I had a 3080 and now a 3080ti.. not even close to 5-10% especially when tuned.

Their job is to make profits just like AMD. I didn't see you blasting Ryzen 5000 even though they overpriced the entire lineup due to a lack of competition...
5% at 1080p and 10% at 4k
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...dition/28.html
spin it at you want but TPU is a lot more pro NV

as for AMD and the 5000's
if Intel had the 5950x it would be 999 to 1200 bucks if AMD had nothing very close .
not selling for 689
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-595.../dp/B0815Y8J9N
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Build this RX 6900 XT Gaming PC for the cost of an RTX 3090

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5% at 1080p and 10% at 4k
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...dition/28.html
spin it at you want but TPU is a lot more pro NV

as for AMD and the 5000's
if Intel had the 5950x it would be 999 to 1200 bucks if AMD had nothing very close .
not selling for 689
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-595.../dp/B0815Y8J9N
Prices have dropped significantly since AlderLake release. Also just pure speculation, as usual, when it comes to your anti NV and anti Intel bias.

I don't need reviews when I've owned both cards. You believe what you want while you haven't owned either.
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Prices have dropped significantly since AlderLake release. Also just pure speculation, as usual, when it comes to your anti NV and anti Intel bias.

I don't need reviews when I've owned both cards. You believe what you want while you haven't owned either.


yes don't believe all the reviews just believe you some anti AMD dude

i've bought more Intel CPU's than AMD'S i had only Intel from my AMD 486 to my 1800x
and more NV cards for a lot longer then you have had AMD cards hell i had NV cards before GeForce

and i skipped the AMD 5000's also as not a big deal over the 3000's

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To put gas on fire ....

Build this RX 6900 XT Gaming PC for the cost of an RTX 3090

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIk-2ERcy5A
https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-ra...82E16814131785

not enough performance increase for 1600 bucks


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see what news AMD has at CES soon
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yes don't believe all the reviews just believe you some anti AMD dude

i've bought more Intel CPU's than AMD'S i had only Intel from my AMD 486 to my 1800x
and more NV cards for a lot longer then you have had AMD cards hell i had NV cards before GeForce

and i skipped the AMD 5000's also as not a big deal over the 3000's
Just because AMD makes products that aren't worth purchasing, doesn't make me anti-AMD. I'm sorry the truth hurts.

Not sure how the difference between a 3080 and 3080ti being wider than 5-10% makes me anti-AMD, but that's logic only you possess
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What kind of people will pay another round (in q4 2022) this prices ? Many who have money already bought 3000 series..Will they have another 2000 euros to pay again ?
Also the current prices begin at 600 euros (6600 and 2060) .... Who will pay this prices in the lower end ?
Let's say miners will replace most of their cards .... The second hand market will reiceive a flood of 3000 series and 6000 series that now in retail costs hefty prices ?
badsykes there are always people who will pay the price. Sadly I used to set a limit above which if I didn't think it was value I wouldn't buy. Now I'm not too bothered. At my age I probably have more money than time left so if I want it I'll buy it. Not rocket science really
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badsykes there are always people who will pay the price. Sadly I used to set a limit above which if I didn't think it was value I wouldn't buy. Now I'm not too bothered. At my age I probably have more money than time left so if I want it I'll buy it. Not rocket science really
There are a few people that can afford paying 1000-2000$ so many times on a vga.

Anyway this article ends with a gut feeling:

https://wccftech.com/will-gpus-get-c...ly-it-depends/

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Realistically speaking, however, you are probably looking at a mix of these two extremes with some easement to the GPU supply and some price increase in a randomly selected successor to ETH 1.0. We should be looking at price decreases between 30-50% by June/July of 2022 as well as far greater supply as some operations decide to liquidate and gamers buy up the GPUs. With the semiconductor industry investing in additional resources, it is clear, however, that sooner or later (think 4 years), the supply crunch will end and will finally lead to cheap GPUs for everyone (well, relatively; because in our opinions, we are unlikely to ever hit the extremely cheap sup-$500 price levels anytime soon).
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There will be a price drop but my gut says it will not happen until market supply stabilizes in late '22.
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There will be a price drop but my gut says it will not happen until market supply stabilizes in late '22.
2024 with the new TSMC and Samsung fabs in the US start coming on line
in the end with Intel now trying the buy up TSMC waffers they are going to cut into AMD and NV supplys


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There will be a price drop but my gut says it will not happen until market supply stabilizes in late '22.
Firstly Merry Christmas to everyone at Rage3D. I have to agree with bill on this and it might take till 2024 for supply/demand to recover and prices to stabilise. Don't think my card will become obsolete over that time so happy to play a waiting game.
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Firstly Merry Christmas to everyone at Rage3D. I have to agree with bill on this and it might take till 2024 for supply/demand to recover and prices to stabilise. Don't think my card will become obsolete over that time so happy to play a waiting game.
Intel Enthusiast Gaming Graphics Cards Based on ARC Battlemage GPUs Coming in Mid-2023, Will Tackle High-End NVIDIA Lovelace & AMD RDNA 3 GPUs

https://wccftech.com/intel-enthusias...d-rdna-3-gpus/
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Intel Enthusiast Gaming Graphics Cards Based on ARC Battlemage GPUs Coming in Mid-2023, Will Tackle High-End NVIDIA Lovelace & AMD RDNA 3 GPUs

https://wccftech.com/intel-enthusias...d-rdna-3-gpus/
Mid-2023 will most likely be 6 to 12 months late

NV's Hopper will be close by then and RDNA 4 soon after
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