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Old Sep 21, 2022, 11:35 AM   #1261
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The 4080 12GB will be lucky to be the same speed as the 3090TI. The only redeeming factor is that it will do so at a lower wattage.. but that 192-bit bus will be terrible at 4K. With DLSS off, I suspect that 4080 12GB will struggle greatly. DLSS3.0 Performance mode is also apparently significantly faster than DLSS2.x Performance mode.

The numbers are completely skewed and not comparable. If you think NV did that on accident.. hehehe.
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Old Sep 21, 2022, 11:36 AM   #1262
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Only took them a decade.. or more.
so they did it and can again

and so you are rooting for higher NV prices and DLSS 8 that renders 8K at 480p


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raster they will be 33% to maybe 50% over a 3090

more and more DLSS a race to the IQ bottom
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It was always an uneasy 'marriage' with Nvidia.

But the 'divorce' will not come on that date.
Well I'm in the middle of a messy divorce with them right now. I sullied myself by being their bitch and mining with their equipment.

Now that whole thing is over with I've found my self-respect.

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4090 will be 50% faster than 3090TI with no DLSS, I think, based off the numbers of AC: Valhalla, which is not an NV favored game.
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Well yes, the 12 Gb 4080 will be a little behind the 3090TI without DLSS 3.0 but with it you will see a noticeable jump beyond what the $2000 3090TI can do on a $900 4000 series card that has the same VRAM capacity as the $1200 3080TI.

4090 is 50% more than 3090 TI raster based on the info shown, add in ray tracing and it's clearly 100% faster based on the math with DLSS giving the 4090 a 250% advantage in cyberpunk according digital foundry DLSS performance 2.1 mode vs DLSS performance mode 3.0 on each card.
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Old Sep 21, 2022, 11:39 AM   #1266
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What you just described is a terrible deal for $900 if the card is slow and bandwidth limited without DLSS. Not every game has it, and every game will need DLSS3.0. Based off the changes, I don't think we'll see all current DLSS games upgraded to 3.0.
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4090 will be 50% faster than 3090TI with no DLSS, I think, based off the numbers of AC: Valhalla, which is not an NV favored game.
what benchmark

all we have is NV marketing pictures
and they are always higher than real benchmarks
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all we have is NV marketing pictures
and they are always higher than real benchmarks
AC: Valhalla has the built-in benchmark which is what I'd assume they used. Yeah, you're right.. we don't have real numbers yet. Based off the specs though, it's very likely to do 50%.
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What you just described is a terrible deal for $900 if the card is slow and bandwidth limited without DLSS. Not every game has it, and every game will need DLSS3.0. Based off the changes, I don't think we'll see all current DLSS games upgraded to 3.0.
All cards are limited in some way or another. Either way you are getting 3090TI levels of performance with 3080TI VRAM capacities for $900 and access to DLSS 3.0 which will provide a major advantage over the 3090TI in titles that support it. SO instead of a 1GB VRAM capacity loss and 40% improvement you are getting 2GB VRAM capacity increase and 20% improvement WITHOUT DLSS 3.0. Add in DLSS 3.0 and you get a pretty nice package of course this is all very limited info but we discuss with the info available. To put this into perspective, the 3080TI had a 2GB VRAM capacity advantage vs the 3080 and ran about 8% faster and cost $1200. At the $1200 price point you are seeing 40% gains and a 4GB VRAM increase at the same price point plus DLSS3.0 mode on top of it. People who bought the 3080TI have a great option with the 4080 16GB and people who bought the 3090 have a great option with the 4090. The 3080 buyers do not get as much performance I will agree but it's still not a horrible deal based on what has been shared so far. More VRAM and DLSS 3.0 with a 20% performance bump.

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AC: Valhalla has the built-in benchmark which is what I'd assume they used. Yeah, you're right.. we don't have real numbers yet. Based off the specs though, it's very likely to do 50%.
35% is more normal for NV but it may hit 50% yes
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Buying a 3090 instead of a 4080 12GB might be a decent choice. With the 3090 you get similar performance and much more VRAM for $200 less cost but you would be sacrificing DLSS 3.0 which might be a real winner this time.

4090 24GB and 4080 16GB have no comparison in my opinion. With SLI being dead, 3080TI and 3090 users have a very clear path of upgrade. 3080 users have some options and most likely that is on purpose as Nvidia is trying to get rid of the 3090 and 3080TI's.
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Isn't this great guys? It's been too long since we've had a GPU war @ Rage. It's all so P&R now.

Can't wait till November and see benchies from both sides.
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Given that my monitor is only 3440x1440 and I can play every game I have on Ultra settings with my 3080ti, I don't see a compelling reason to throw $$$ at nVidia in the near future.
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Can't wait till November and see benchies from both sides.

I agree, and maybe I can buy a card @ MSRP this time around.
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Assuming nV has been stocking since August and GPU mining is in steep decline I would say yes.
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Who said I was buying Nvidia?
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In all honesty, I don't want something more than 350w, my room gets hot as it is with a 2080s. But if AMD doesn't impress, might have to go to the green team again.
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In all honesty, I don't want something more than 350w, my room gets hot as it is with a 2080s. But if AMD doesn't impress, might have to go to the green team again.
I hear that - I already undervolt this 3090 to keep it around 330W. Untamed it flies up to 450W
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NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang in a call with the press today confirmed that Ada loses the NVLink connector. This marks the end of any possibility of explicit multi-GPU, and marks the complete demise of SLI (over a separate physical interface). Jensen stated that the reason behind removing the NVLink connector was because they needed the I/O for "something else," and decided against spending the resources to wire out an NVLink interface. NVIDIA's engineers also wanted to make the most out of the silicon area at their disposal to "cram in as much AI processing as we could". Jen-Hsun continued with "and also, because Ada is based on Gen 5, PCIe Gen 5, we now have the ability to do peer-to-peer cross-Gen 5 that's sufficiently fast that it was a better tradeoff". We reached out to NVIDIA to confirm and their answer is:

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The AD102 physically features 18,176 CUDA cores, 568 fourth-generation Tensor cores, and 142 third-generation RT cores. The streaming multiprocessors (SM) come with special components that enable the Shader Execution Reordering optimization, which has a significant performance impact on both raster- and ray traced graphics rendering performance. The silicon supports up to 24 GB of GDDR6X or up to 48 GB of GDDR6+ECC memory (the latter will be seen in the RTX Ada professional-visualization card), across a 384-bit wide memory bus. There are 568 TMUs, and a mammoth 192 ROPs on the silicon.

The RTX 4090 is carved out of this silicon by enabling 16,384 out of 18,176 CUDA cores. 512 out of 568 Tensor cores, 512 out of 568 TMUs, 128 out of 142 RT cores, and unless NVIDIA has touched the ROP count, it could remain at 192. The memory bus is maxed out, with 24 GB of 21 Gbps GDDR6X memory across the 384-bit bus-width. In creating the RTX 4090, NVIDIA has given itself a 10% headroom in the number-crunching machinery, from which to carve out future SKUs such as the possible RTX 4090 Ti. Until that SKU is needed in the product-stack, NVIDIA will use this 10% margin toward harvesting the AD102 silicon.


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Buying a 3090 instead of a 4080 12GB might be a decent choice. With the 3090 you get similar performance and much more VRAM for $200 less cost but you would be sacrificing DLSS 3.0 which might be a real winner this time.

4090 24GB and 4080 16GB have no comparison in my opinion. With SLI being dead, 3080TI and 3090 users have a very clear path of upgrade. 3080 users have some options and most likely that is on purpose as Nvidia is trying to get rid of the 3090 and 3080TI's.
But with DLSS 3 it is literally faking frames to make that performance jump.

It's going to be really interesting to see what the image quality and latency trade off is to use the Frame Generation. I gotta image there is some latency, which is probably why Reflex has been bolted into DLSS 3 as well.
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and they don't dribble them out to keep prices high anyway
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The AD102 physically features 18,176 CUDA cores, 568 fourth-generation Tensor cores, and 142 third-generation RT cores. The streaming multiprocessors (SM) come with special components that enable the Shader Execution Reordering optimization, which has a significant performance impact on both raster- and ray traced graphics rendering performance. The silicon supports up to 24 GB of GDDR6X or up to 48 GB of GDDR6+ECC memory (the latter will be seen in the RTX Ada professional-visualization card), across a 384-bit wide memory bus. There are 568 TMUs, and a mammoth 192 ROPs on the silicon.

The RTX 4090 is carved out of this silicon by enabling 16,384 out of 18,176 CUDA cores. 512 out of 568 Tensor cores, 512 out of 568 TMUs, 128 out of 142 RT cores, and unless NVIDIA has touched the ROP count, it could remain at 192. The memory bus is maxed out, with 24 GB of 21 Gbps GDDR6X memory across the 384-bit bus-width. In creating the RTX 4090, NVIDIA has given itself a 10% headroom in the number-crunching machinery, from which to carve out future SKUs such as the possible RTX 4090 Ti. Until that SKU is needed in the product-stack, NVIDIA will use this 10% margin toward harvesting the AD102 silicon.


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Also keep in mind the DF's upcoming first look seem like the definition of sponsored content to me. They have been given early access to both hardware and software. And I really hope they disclose it this time.
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Also keep in mind the DF's upcoming first look is the definition of sponsored content. They have been given early access to both hardware and software. And I really hope they disclose it this time.
yes their review will be well paid for
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Nvidia released details showing the new 16GB 4080 has the same triple slot FE cooler that the 4090 has this time. New fans have been chosen with 20% more air flow capacity. VRAM is all installed on one side of the card and runs 10C cooler than the 3000 series. New VRM design limits transient spikes to 100 watts lower than the 3000 series despite the 4090 using 100 more watts. ATX 3.0 is unnecessary this gen.
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They are trash. I wait for the Steve's and Paul to review stuff.


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Nvidia released details showing the new 16GB 4080 has the same triple slot FE cooler that the 4090 has this time. New fans have been chosen with 20% more air flow capacity. VRAM is all installed on one side of the card and runs 10C cooler than the 3000 series. New VRM design limits transient spikes to 100 watts lower than the 3000 series despite the 4090 using 100 more watts. ATX 3.0 is unnecessary this gen.

Well we shall see if they curbed transient spikes when reviewers get them. And its a 3.5 slot cooler! I think it kinda looks cool, I actually love the chonkiness, just not the power consumption.
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Also keep in mind the DF's upcoming first look seem like the definition of sponsored content to me. They have been given early access to both hardware and software. And I really hope they disclose it this time.
There was a previous incident of undisclosed sponsored content?
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Well we shall see if they curbed transient spikes when reviewers get them. And its a 3.5 slot cooler! I think it kinda looks cool, I actually love the chonkiness, just not the power consumption.
I agree about the FE cooler, I love my 3090FE. Regarding Digital Foundry, it's an early look, not a critical review. They made it clear that they are only allowed to share specific information that is still under NDA as long as they stick to the program. The info they show is factual but only focuses on what the card is good at. Digital Foundry has quality critical reviews once the NDA is lifted just like Gamer Nexus. They are given the privlege to share info early as long as they can be trusted to stick to Nvidia's guidelines which is no different than magazine publications from back in the day that would give early performance information before the official review.
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