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Old Oct 1, 2021, 06:16 PM   #271
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Q4 of '22, like I said.
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Q4 of '22, like I said.
that says Q1 23 for the big dogs
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they want to go after NV it looks like
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that says Q1 23 for the big dogs
7800/7900 XT

they want to go after NV it looks like
So you've finally accepted it's Q1 2023 then . Lisa Su said this week she only sees supply/demand harmonising in H2 2022 so Q1 2023 makes sense for RDNA 3. If it's any good and reasonably priced it might pique my interest enough to consider buying it.

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So much for msrp, microcenter is selling a 6900XT for $2200, who the hell is paying these stupid prices! I wasn't happy spending $100 extra on a dam 1650.
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the ryzen 3 3d and ryzen 3 xt setup doesnt make sense to me unless the price of ryzen 3 3d is going to be higher than many were thinking.
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Looks like Navi 3 will have 75 tflops which is ~3x what the 6900xt has at 23 tflops...
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Looks like Navi 3 will have 75 tflops which is ~3x what the 6900xt has at 23 tflops...
And he's an authority on this?
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Dont you know?
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Its originally from Paul at Redgamingtech who has been a reliable leaker... I shouldve linked that I suppose.
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Its originally from Paul at Redgamingtech who has been a reliable leaker... I shouldve linked that I suppose.
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lol, I happened to goto the AMD store 15 mins. before a drop. Get in line, 1 hour till you have access to the store, 5 mins later the line closes, all graphics cards sold out.

Billy be ready to pay 3K for your 7900XT!
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Billy be ready to pay 3K for your 7900XT!
i doubt it

1500 maybe now NV's first MCM card Hopper card maybe a 3k or 4k Titan ( but the cheaper ti will be out soon after ) but at this point AMD can't command those high prices like NV can and they know it
without shortages and they should be well over by Q1 2023
and prices should return more to normal after they stop GPU ethereum mining at the end of the year - hopefully
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Ya but the next coin under ethereum will probably take up the slack... what a waste of good silicon. And energy.
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Ya but the next coin under ethereum will probably take up the slack... what a waste of good silicon. And energy.
well infinity cache cut the hash rate on the 6000's
they are not much better mining than the 5000's

hopefully MCM Chiplets and infinity cache do even more so
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i doubt it

1500 maybe now NV's first MCM card Hopper card maybe a 3k or 4k Titan ( but the cheaper ti will be out soon after ) but at this point AMD can't command those high prices like NV can and they know it
without shortages and they should be well over by Q1 2023
and prices should return more to normal after they stop GPU ethereum mining at the end of the year - hopefully
I hope you're right about the price of a 7900 but I think it's going to be Ł$2,000+ and if you look at some 'leakers' who might know nothing they all agree the same. You don't get that kind of performance jump cheaply it comes with a premium price tag.

AMD are in the business of making money and satisfying shareholders just like Nvidia, nothing different really, both want to make the most profit they can. They don't want to be your friend they both want to sell you the highest priced graphics card you can afford. Simples.

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The 6900 isnt moving much at that price and neither will the 7900. I see stock of the 6900 all the time now.
if it is even 2x faster than a 6900 let alone 3x and they have fixed ray tracing performance to match NV 4080 ti/4090
with the bigger infinity cache it would be a good 4k card and it would sell at about 1200 reference to 1600 for the better top after market cards

all depending on power draw and thermal output

the NV 4080 ti will most likely be 1300 to 2000 and the 4090 could go back to titan prices of 3k+
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Old Oct 8, 2021, 03:47 PM   #291
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Id buy a 7900 at 1200 real quick with the kind of leaks we are seeing. But 2k or more I just cant.
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Id buy a 7900 at 1200 real quick with the kind of leaks we are seeing. But 2k or more I just cant.
$1,200 is a pipe dream. All depends on where it's 2x or 3x faster. If's it ray tracing only maybe $1,500 but if it's rasterization as well then $2,000 will be cheap. The 6900 costs $1,000 so if the 7900 is 2x or 3x faster then $2,000 is the minimum you're going to have to pay. Just my 2C's.
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Well 6900xt is 1000 msrp but its retailing at 2400-4k here CAD. But I dont see how they can justify doubling msrp in one gen. Sure if the silicon scarcity continues itll be crazy priced retail again at 2k or more but not msrp.
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They'll push the boundary to see where people finally give up. We haven't hit that point yet *strokes 3080TI strix for $2K MSRP*
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lol, I happened to goto the AMD store 15 mins. before a drop. Get in line, 1 hour till you have access to the store, 5 mins later the line closes, all graphics cards sold out.

Billy be ready to pay 3K for your 7900XT!
If you want a shot at it you really need to use the Multi-Account Containers extension for Firefox and open multiple tabs. Each container counts as a different "device" essentially. So, you can get a total of 6 out of one Firefox browser (1 normal, 4 containers, 1 private). On top of that you can get another 2 each out of Edge and Chrome if you have time. I don't know, maybe you can get a couple more out of Opera or other minor browsers? (This trick was linked by someone on this forum, but I'm too lazy to go back and find the post.)

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If you have multiple computers you can start even more sessions, but you only have a limited amount of time before the event starts, and then you'd have to run around to every single one to see if any of them hit. Personally I did not find that all that practical as there's simply not enough time to do that many Captchas.

On another note, each time I succeeded in buying from the store, they had changed something up about the buying operation, first time adding Captchas, last time adding an e-mail address entry. So, it's possible that those threw the bots off enough for me to squeak through while only gaming the system as much as humanly possible.

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I think it's hard to say what the actual going price is since miners aren't very price sensitive. With mining out of the equation I don't think $1000+ GPUs would sell very well.
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$1000 GPUs sold great before mining. The 2080TI sold extremely well above $1000. The TITAN cards also sold quite well at $1200+.

I disagree. I think it's easy to tell that consumers have shown they'll spend in excess for computer hardware to fuel their hobby. The market will never go back to the way it was after the revelations these companies had during/after COVID.
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miners paying 1600+ for 1080 ti's is what got the 2080 ti price at 1199+

if GPU mining dies the prices will go back down a lot for all but the top end cards from each maker those may go down to 2080 ti prices
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$1000 GPUs sold great before mining. The 2080TI sold extremely well above $1000. The TITAN cards also sold quite well at $1200+.

I disagree. I think it's easy to tell that consumers have shown they'll spend in excess for computer hardware to fuel their hobby. The market will never go back to the way it was after the revelations these companies had during/after COVID.
Not a vacuum though. Push it to high and to far outta reach and the market will shrink and the developers will stop seeing a reason to release at all on PC. Plus you sell more at lower prices, than high ones.

It's gotta be a balance or else it will vanish and consoles, which are already dominating, will be all that is left.
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Sure, they'll go too far eventually, but they haven't yet. People are still gobbling up $900 6700XTs and $1000 3070s.
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$1000 GPUs sold great before mining. The 2080TI sold extremely well above $1000. The TITAN cards also sold quite well at $1200+.

I disagree. I think it's easy to tell that consumers have shown they'll spend in excess for computer hardware to fuel their hobby. The market will never go back to the way it was after the revelations these companies had during/after COVID.
I don't know that it's actually true that the 2080 Ti sold "well". As far as I can tell it never got to be more than 1% on the Steam Hardware survey. It's way down the list on the current hardware survey, and if you go back to look at older time periods, it's the same.

Although I am sure each 2080 Ti was quite profitable, a relatively small number of them sold compared to the cheaper cards. The lion's share of the sales are 70 class or below. For that matter the 3060, 3060 Ti, 3070 and 3080 have all already supplanted 2080 Ti on the Steam survey. The only thing from 3000 series worse than 2080 Ti share is the 3090 (not counting 3080 Ti or 3070 Ti since they haven't been out long).

I think a distinction needs to be made between something "selling" and "selling well". Selling means the product actually makes sense to someone, but "selling well" has to mean getting more than 1% of market share. Reducing yourself to 1% of your sales base isn't going to result in huge profits, even if you jack the price up to $2000. There have to be much cheaper cards than that for there to even be a GPU market.

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Sure, they'll go too far eventually, but they haven't yet. People are still gobbling up $900 6700XTs and $1000 3070s.
I think the sales on Ebay and other online reselling sites don't provide an accurate picture of the whole GPU market. Sure the few hundred cards on there at any time sell, but that's out of tens of thousands of cards shipped overall.
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