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Old Jul 27, 2021, 02:00 AM   #241
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I will say with renewed competition from AMD it could be that both companies try to deliver products faster, or that the next gen sees a bigger than usual (or at least what's been usual lately) increase since neither one wants to get one upped.
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I'm pretty sure Nvidia slipped to 24+ months a while ago (I'm talking new architectures not refreshes like Supers or Ti, those space things out more but they are just larger versions of the same architecture at best, and slight refreshes of previous chips at worst).

September 18, 2014: 980 release date.
May 27, 2016: 1080 release date
September 20, 2018: 2080 release date
September 17, 2020 : 3080 release date

Based on this cycle RTX 4080 should be around the end of September 2022.

AMD had only 16 months between the 5700 XT and 6800 XT, but they also had to catch up after slowly falling behind. If AMD keeps to an 18 month cycle even I guess we'd see something around May of next year, but I am not sure whether that's realistic given the supply issues.
Nagorak a small correction on the above. The 6800XT was a NEW high end GPU and NOT a replacement for the 5700XT. They are in two completely different price segments. It's like saying the 3080 was the replacement for the 2070 which obviously it wasn't.

The 6700XT is the 5700XT replacement so add another 4 to 5 months to your calculations and it's not far off 2 years. I know I owned Fury, Vega 64 and 5700XT so 2 years was roughly my upgrade cycle and I usually bought on or near release. TBH after a blower Vega 64 I did wait a few months for an AIB 5700XT so it's horses for courses. Which is much the same with the AIB release of the 6700XT so 2 years ain't far off.

IMHO a 2 year cycle is fine as not many games come out in that time frame to really tax a card. A year or less is a bit meh TBH but that's just my personal opinion. I'm not interested in that upgrade cycle although I'm sure some are. I went from a mid range 5700XT to my present card so I'm not in a hurry to upgrade.

My big beef with AMD was the poor driver support for the cards mentioned above at release and it often took 6+ months of driver releases to iron out the issues and make the cards run as they should. Unacceptable for me to release a GPU with sub standard drivers. Look at places like Gamers Nexus who have posted videos about this issue. It's basically a schoolboy error by AMD.

I've had my NV card for 8 months now and had no driver issues at all. I've flashed the Bios, enabled Resizable Bar and all has gone well. Very happy chappy indeed.
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Rumor has it Navi 31 will be configured in a dual-die (multi-chip module, or MCM) design, with each GPU sporting 30 RDNA 3 WGPs, along with 256 stream processors per WGP. These work groups would contain the CUs. Navi 31 could also arrive with a 256-bit memory bus, and an expansion of the Infinity Cache allotment to 256MB or even 512MB.
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I hope it has a bigger bus than 256bit, especially if it's MCM.
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Rumor is the non gpu die isnt an IO die but pure cache. So if they go 4x on the IF cache on die plus the extra die they might not need more than 256 bit.
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I just hope they get it out first like Q1 22 AND beat NV by about 6 months
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Rumor is the non gpu die isnt an IO die but pure cache. So if they go 4x on the IF cache on die plus the extra die they might not need more than 256 bit.
Yeah they said that about the 6000 series too
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60% for every tier ...

They need to increase the performance very much for the next gen to actually matter offset the huge price increase that will come.


So if this is true i may afford a 3090-performance like tier.The 7700xt will halve the 3090 price...
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60% for every tier ...

They need to increase the performance very much for the next gen to actually matter offset the huge price increase that will come.


So if this is true i may afford a 3090-performance like tier.The 7700xt will halve the 3090 price...
if there is no big shortage and GPU mining is dead like they say

then the 7800 xt most likely 2080 ti price 1199 stock to 1400 aftermarket

7900 xt 1500 to 1650

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$450 for a GPU that beats a 6900XT? Yes, please!
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Guess im waiting for RDNA3....hopefully prices are actually reasonable by that time.
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Don't bet on that.
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It will go for double that price when released if we are in the same mess we are in today. I wanted to just go buy a $200 1660 Super That's not happening!
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It will go for double that price when released if we are in the same mess we are in today.
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maybe

I think the virus will be passed by then or we will be

so manufacturing and supply of needed materials should be a lot better

the key will be gpu mining and if it is turned off like they say
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I think the virus will be passed by then or we will be

so manufacturing and supply of needed materials should be a lot better

the key will be gpu mining and if it is turned off like they say
Supply line issues will be with us in 22 as well as Covid.

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No shut up and drink your bat soup.
by Q3 AMD & Q4 NV of 22 it should be better

and no bat soup for me I have had covid on top of two shots I should be golden

of course now west nile virus is spiking here
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and no bat soup for me I have had covid on top of two shots I should be golden

of course now west nile virus is spiking here
Unfortunately it's more to do with supply chain issues than production. I watched a programme yesterday that showed shipping rates have risen six fold in last 12 months to over $12,000 per small container from Asia to USA. They showed a ship unloading in Portsmouth dock with all it's timber in the hold as they had no containers.

Instead of 72 hours it took 7 days to unload. The containers they should have been in were in the wrong place and to get them sorted will take at least 7 weeks. It's a crap shoot at the moment and GPU prices will not drop until this issue is sorted out. This doesn't include the spread of the Delta virus in the UK USA or Asia.
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None of this is going to change until people quit buying the ones that are in stock for double the price. I see Microcenter near me has 6700 XT's in stock for $800 and half of the 16 they had today sold at that price. Cant even buy a budget card right now for a decent price.
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Plenty of cards on newegg now, been for a while, but they want up to 4000$ CAD for one... ffs really?
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Yep these prices are not going down anytime soon, only 3 6700 XT's left at Microcenter after getting a bunch of cards in on Saturday. Only 8 100 dollar bills for a mid level card.
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Calling the 6600XT mid level .. eek!!

That's some low tier crap. These prices are nuts - imo the AMD AIBs should be sued for how far they're going. I laugh when I see a 6900XT for $2699 .. that's literally it's MSRP - which is so ****ing hilarious because who would smoke enough crack to actually pay that much for a card that struggles with RT? It's insane lol.
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