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acroig Nov 26, 2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Riptide (Post 1338247656)
Well guys my amazon bot picked me up a gigabyte 6800xt reference card. Supposed to arrive wed. dec 16th.

The seller is 'Amazon.com Services LLC'.
The price? $799

Looks like amazon be joining up with scalpers my bois.

I am trying to get a price match/reduction, but they are fighting it since the newegg listing is not on their site. They only want to match prices that are on their website.

Wow... ripping people off big time.

Nascar24 Nov 26, 2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338247658)
Wow... ripping people off big time.

Nice, $649 card for $799. Amazon needs the money.

LordHawkwind Nov 26, 2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NWR_Midnight (Post 1338247553)
3 million consoles made it into customers hands because they started production of 1 single product months before either Nvidia or AMD, announced the release date of 3 sperate products, not counting CPUs, 6 weeks before AMD even announced their product line. Which gave them roughly at least 6 weeks more to continually ship 1 single product to the various retailers. The math is't difficult.

Nvidia are using Samsung 8nm so this has nothing to do with them. AMD tell TSMC how they want the wafers allocated per product SKU. So you're saying AMD didn't know their product line up until 6 weeks before launch? These same products they'd been developing for years? A bit remiss of them don't you think.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand this is a cluster fu*k of AMD's own making, no one else's but as Nascar says everyone is giving them a get out of jail card because it's AMD. Nvidia got no get out of jail cards they just got slaughtered. How about just bringing a bit of balance to the force (Yoda quote NWR) and calling out both sides for what were truly dreadful launches.

There are no 6800 cards in Europe, Australia & Canada and to all intents and purposes the USA. Is that a well executed launch then. As you say NWR the math isn't difficult.

LordHawkwind Nov 26, 2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Riptide (Post 1338247656)
Well guys my amazon bot picked me up a gigabyte 6800xt reference card. Supposed to arrive wed. dec 16th.

The seller is 'Amazon.com Services LLC'.
The price? $799

Looks like amazon be joining up with scalpers my bois.

I am trying to get a price match/reduction, but they are fighting it since the newegg listing is not on their site. They only want to match prices that are on their website.

I wish you good luck on that purchase. ETA 16th December or if anything like the PS5 launch when people pre-ordered off Amazon you might get an email pushing it back to Feb/March. At least with Amazon you don't pay until it ships. You've paid 25% over MSRP for zero performance gain. You pays your money you takes your choice.

Talking of Amazon and the PS5 they've had to apologise to customers today who received fridges, microwaves and even cat food instead of the PS5 :lol: Apparently they're looking into it. I never buy any high price item off them TBH.

LordHawkwind Nov 26, 2020 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247539)
TSMC's top priorities were

#1 = iPhone 12

# 2 = the new game consoles

AMD's stuff was last on their list most likely Sony & M$ demanded it

Come on Bill you do realise AMD controlled number 2 and their "own stuff". Just admit who's to blame.

Regarding #1 my wife bought the iPhone 12 Pro Max 256gb on pre-order day 6th November. Got an ETA of 30th November happy wifey. I was off this Monday got a knock on the door and a package for the wife. Guess what? iPhone 12 Pro Max 7 days early. She'd got an email the night before saying it was on the way. That's how you launch and deliver products.

One world class company and one completely dumb ass company.

Riptide Nov 26, 2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar24 (Post 1338247660)
Nice, $649 card for $799. Amazon needs the money.

Right clearly. If they deny the price reduction request I'm going to keep my bot running to see what else I can get. Also, checking my credit card to see if they have price protection offered.

Worst case, I have a guy on discord who is willing to sell me a sapphire reference card for his cost plus ship. It's riskier than the amazon order, but it feels legit to me so far so I may just go ahead and risk that instead then cancel the gigabyte once it all goes through.

bill dennison Nov 26, 2020 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247692)
Come on Bill you do realise AMD controlled number 2 and their "own stuff". Just admit who's to blame.

Regarding #1 my wife bought the iPhone 12 Pro Max 256gb on pre-order day 6th November. Got an ETA of 30th November happy wifey. I was off this Monday got a knock on the door and a package for the wife. Guess what? iPhone 12 Pro Max 7 days early. She'd got an email the night before saying it was on the way. That's how you launch and deliver products.

One world class company and one completely dumb ass company.

no it was in the deal last time and i bet it was this time

but yes AMD signed a contract with Sony & M$ to make the APU's so they did agree at the time like a year or two ago

LordHawkwind Nov 26, 2020 05:01 PM

How much for for a 6800? Do they actually exist? I like his comment that if you have a decent card just don't upgrade right now at these obscene prices. AMD are ****8ing us over by over charging the AIB's who supply cards to us. Don't buy them. You don't really need them. I'm staying with my 5700XT for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Zn-rCditU

KAC Nov 26, 2020 05:14 PM

I hate it when Amazon rips people off. It is such a great site but from time to time they have high demand products significantly above MSRP.

Riptide Nov 26, 2020 05:21 PM

Looks like my VISA has price protection. Seems I have a few options.

1. Gigabyte ships on Dec 16th. Get price matched via CC price protection.
2. Cancel the order now. Pick up the sapphire from a nerd I met over discord and risk a private sale for less money, that would get here quicker.
3. Do nothing, and try to get the 6900XT on launch. Cancel Gigabyte if I get an order through.

Only thing that really concerns me about the amazon order now is whether it actually ships on time or if it gets pushed back. I could get the sapphire a lot sooner, but it is a bit riskier being a private sale over the internet.

NWR_Midnight Nov 26, 2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338247686)
Nvidia are using Samsung 8nm so this has nothing to do with them. AMD tell TSMC how they want the wafers allocated per product SKU. So you're saying AMD didn't know their product line up until 6 weeks before launch? These same products they'd been developing for years? A bit remiss of them don't you think.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand this is a cluster fu*k of AMD's own making, no one else's but as Nascar says everyone is giving them a get out of jail card because it's AMD. Nvidia got no get out of jail cards they just got slaughtered. How about just bringing a bit of balance to the force (Yoda quote NWR) and calling out both sides for what were truly dreadful launches.

There are no 6800 cards in Europe, Australia & Canada and to all intents and purposes the USA. Is that a well executed launch then. As you say NWR the math isn't difficult.

You missed the point(s) completely. What fab Nvidia used has zero to do with my point(s). If AMD released the cards back in September along with Nvidia, you would have a partial argument (which has nothing to do with my response aboit 3 million consoles sold) bit they didn't. They released them when all shipping is at its max capacity due to the Holidays, unlike NVidia. The consoles started mass production Months ahead of both NVidia and AMD. Which means they started stock piling those consoles around the world in distribution centers located near major retailers months ago, before either NVidia or AMD even announced their GPUs, and the consoles where announced months prior, with the release date announced 6 weeks before AND even announced their product. Currently, because cargo ships are sitting in bays, not being unloaded because of lack of man power brought on by the pandemic, as well as the Holiday shipping is something that NVidia didn't have to deal with at launch.

AMD's demand was also increased because of the 3080 fiasco. It takes a minimum of 90 days to fabricate the processor chip, plus the final manufacturing process of the completed GPU, which means AMD would have had to put off their release to compensate for the 3080 shortages pushing people to them, or would have had a crystal ball that allowed them to see into the future 4+ months ago to start preparations earlier.


Now you want to argue about fabs? How many product skews at release did NVidia have to worry about that came from samsung? (A: 2, the 3080 and the 3090, which they have expanded on since to 5, 2 months later). How many skews does AMD have worry about? (A: 6 to 7 products skews coming from TSMC, not counting their console side. GPU: 6800, 6800xt, soon to be released 6900xt (the seventh skew), CPU: 5600xt, 5800xt, 5900xt, 5950xt). They will also be adding to their skews over the next couple months. So the bothsides argument isn't even valid when you put things into perspective.


Now with all due respect, you have seen nothing but red (not AMD red) for months constantly seeing only the negative about AMD and at times Nvidia for weeks, if not months. Try looking at things from a different perspective more positive perspective and, because right now, you are missing a lot by not doing so.

Riptide Nov 27, 2020 08:03 AM

Status on my 6800xt gigabyte reference card on amazon changed from arriving dec 16th to "Not yet shipped. We will email you when we have an estimated delivery date."

Nascar24 Nov 27, 2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide (Post 1338247806)
Status on my 6800xt gigabyte reference card on amazon changed from arriving dec 16th to "Not yet shipped. We will email you when we have an estimated delivery date."

Thatís a death sentence for Amazon video card delivery. I ended up canceling my 3080 from them after mine changed to that status after they failed to deliver.

acroig Nov 27, 2020 09:39 AM

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/11...-paper-launch/

Riptide Nov 27, 2020 09:45 AM

Yah I am not feeling very hopeful that the order will be executed any time soon. Like everyone else I'm still trying. I can't camp MC or discord all day which makes it tough. My amazon bot is my only hope and it is still running.

badsykes Nov 27, 2020 10:35 AM

I do feel something will "explode" in their faces (both Nvidia and AMD) with this launch and BS, deceit with prices and so on...The public is enraged and 2020 was already on fire and people got burned from this direction also... I will get a popcorn because this will go deeper in investigations and revelations...
Very very childish move from both companies...On the other hand maybe is not about the cards this time around but the policy and attitude and some revelations ....

The irony is i personally need a CPU more than a GPU and at least in my country the 5000 series was continously restocked and are at MSRP.No problems here..

NWR_Midnight Nov 27, 2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338247819)

It's only been 9 days since AMD's launch. There are people who have summitted pictures on reddit of Microcenters with a bunch of 6800 (non XT) on display for sale days after launch, as well as people who have been able to snag one. There are a bunch of them on sale on ebay that scalpers have snagged, so that pretty much squashes the paper launch argument. This article is basing their claims off of 2 upvoted threads/discussions just like this one. (so just a bunch of upset people bitching about not being able to get their hands on the GPU's) it's been2.5 months (70+ days) since Nvidia's launch and people still have to use bots and play the f5 game to snag one or pay the scalper tax. Yet, everyone is running around calling AMD's launch a paper launch after a week, during the months where shipping is at it's max capacity due to the holidays. Funny how that works. Just saying.

Mangler Nov 27, 2020 12:06 PM

Yeah, people tend to do that when entire countries get zero stock at launch.

And people called the 3xxx launch a paper launch, why wouldn't they think the same of the r6xxx launch?

NWR_Midnight Nov 27, 2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangler (Post 1338247849)
Yeah, people tend to do that when entire countries get zero stock at launch.

And people called the 3xxx launch a paper launch, why wouldn't they think the same of the r6xxx launch?

No articles came out calling Nvidia's a paper launch that I saw, but a few about it NOT being a paper launch (I may have missed them, but I tend to spend my nights at work looking for the end of the internet because of teh slow boring job I am doing right now due to the cut backs). A lot of people and hardware sites, gave Nvidia every excuse known to man, and blamed it on bots/scalpers/demand. It just seems, all though there are different metrics at play now than there was 2 months ago, that AMD is getting judged by a much stricter set of rules, they also have more than double the demand that normal because of the pissed off people who couldn't get a 3080/3090. That's all. I suspect shipping is a huge factor. Costco has had a warning on their web site for over a month now about shipping delays. So it shows that shipping issues is far reaching.

Higgy10 Nov 27, 2020 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangler (Post 1338247849)
Yeah, people tend to do that when entire countries get zero stock at launch.

And people called the 3xxx launch a paper launch, why wouldn't they think the same of the r6xxx launch?

most sane ppl consider both launches paper launches

only card i can potentially get is some overpriced $2400 3090

acroig Nov 27, 2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Higgy10 (Post 1338247860)
most sane ppl consider both launches paper launches

People's expectations are hard to manage. People assumed that AMD would have lots more stock thanks to 7nm @ TSMC. Sony and MS said otherwise.

Higgy10 Nov 27, 2020 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338247861)
People's expectations are hard to manage. People assumed that AMD would have lots more stock thanks to 7nm @ TSMC. Sony and MS said otherwise.

honestly anyone that thought amd would have good stock with the new iphone, new consoles, and covid deserves to be disappointed

acroig Nov 27, 2020 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Higgy10 (Post 1338247863)
honestly anyone that thought amd would have good stock with the new iphone, new consoles, and covid deserves to be disappointed

Hope springs eternal.... or so they say.

acroig Nov 27, 2020 01:22 PM

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rade...d-availability

EU / UK

bill dennison Nov 27, 2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338247861)
People's expectations are hard to manage. People assumed that AMD would have lots more stock thanks to 7nm @ TSMC. Sony and MS said otherwise.

yep i did

but i did fear they got the same priority deal as last time

was not a big deal in 2013 with the r9 290x and ps4 and xbox ...... as most people actually had a life back then in the old days :bleh:


........
and since they are OOS also
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According to data from VGChartz, the PS5 sold an estimated 2.1 million to 2.5 million units worldwide across the first two days of its launch. For comparison, the Xbox Series X/S sold an estimated 1.1 million to 1.4 million units worldwide
https://www.cbr.com/ps5-launch-sales...ts%20worldwide.

AMD could use 110% of TSMC's 7nm wafers and still be short

and i know Sony and MS are jumping up and down on AMD's back :bleh:

Nascar24 Nov 27, 2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338247871)

Reference cards are a 1 off!:lol: Seriously? Guess there are no more $649 cards for people!:lol: What nonsense!

bill dennison Nov 27, 2020 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar24 (Post 1338247877)
Reference cards are a 1 off!:lol: Seriously? Guess there are no more $649 cards for people!:lol: What nonsense!

they was nothing in the first 3 to 4 weeks on the 3080 but ebay .
till EVGA set up the queue and got it going and not that much now after what 10+ weeks
and where are the FE :hmm:

AMD has had 9 days :lol:
they may get better also in 10 weeks

Nascar24 Nov 27, 2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338247886)
they was nothing in the first 3 to 4 weeks on the 3080 but ebay .
till EVGA set up the queue and got it going and not that much now after what 10+ weeks
and where are the FE :hmm:

AMD has had 9 days :lol:
they may get better also in 10 weeks

Billy, we are not talking about the 3080 here, stop making AMD out to be something different. Also I would be more concerned about this 1 off nonsense from AMD. If true that would definitely be dirtier then NV. Do you really think your getting a 6900XT anytime soon, when they disappear within seconds? It also looks like the price is going to much closer to the 3090 then we all thought.

bill dennison Nov 27, 2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar24 (Post 1338247891)
Billy, we are not talking about the 3080 here, stop making AMD out to be something different. Also I would be more concerned about this 1 off nonsense from AMD. If true that would definitely be dirtier then NV.

sorry there is too much FUD out there .

wait and see is all we can do at this point as it not like i could get a TUF or Strix in 6800 xt,6900 xt or 3080 anyway at this point

i can get a used RTX 2080 TI Strix OC for 960 for SLI :lol: :nuts:

Gandalfthewhite Nov 27, 2020 02:31 PM

Based on what has been happening with CPUs it is obvious that there is a shipping issue more than a manufacturing issue as sites have been taking preorders based on expected arrival dates of parts. its not that they are waiting to be produced it is waiting for the actual shipment to be received. Welcome to logistics management in a pandemic.


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